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06-07-2006, 05:06 PM | #1 | ||||
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| Guidelines for scale builds
For those with a short attention span I will sum up my opinion in two words, utter bull. For those who read past headlines and are willing to look at other peoples opinions read on and I will explain my position. I think the new guidelines post in the scale forum is well intended but down right rediculus to define 'scale' to what a couple of people think. Yes I like to see someone say that a stick is not scale what the hell is this? Quote:
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Since we are going to limit people why not just throw down the rule that for any rig to be 'scale' it has to use bruiser axles? I mean any dummy can buy a set on e-bay right? What if someone builds a rig with indipendant front suspension? would that not be scale if the 1-1 vehicle had that setup? About bodies... Quote:
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If you want to limit the scale forum to TLT axled rigs with the same old lexan bodies then please just move that sh8t back to the TLT forum where it belongs and rename the scale forum "bruisers only." Some examples of rigs that do not meet the guidlines but IMO are more scale then some of the sh8t that gets posted in that forum are rigs like the 1/6th scale flat fender jeep rbgerrish was building. Yes I know it did not have drive shafts but proportionally it was a work of art. Microgoats 1/6th Ford Ranger did not have a TLT axle under it and yet it is so freaking real looking most people have to look twice. And just to prove I am not all about the 1/6th scale take a look at the SSMT build up of a jeep J-10 by racer32. I also just noticed that his SSMT build is still in the scale forum while every other SSMT thread looks like ehy have been moved. Did he just rub someones back the right way or is it just because his project is turning out damn well? HMM perhaps the forum should be re-named 'bruisers and select builders only.' The people who read these forums are smart enough to know when a rig is not scale and honestly I would like to see that thread scrapped because I think it very poorly tries to define what is 'scale.' I am done b*thing now. | ||||
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06-07-2006, 05:27 PM | #2 |
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06-07-2006, 06:40 PM | #3 |
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The Scale Forum REALLY did need some guidelines to help clean it up! But I don't think a few of those guidelines were what was needed. |
06-07-2006, 07:06 PM | #4 | |
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06-07-2006, 07:14 PM | #5 |
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I am thick in the head. I think they did a good first attempt at a problem. But when you say it's "utter bull" I have a problem with that. You are letting your emotions get the best of you. You don't even reconize that there is a problem in that forum. People were posting a sw2 as a scale truck. There is no scale apperance about that chassis. That is what they are trying to fix. |
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Perhaps I went a little over the line to call it bull, but when I read them I see it really as just recreating the old TLT forum but you have to keep the tires in the wheel wells. A better guidlines post would not be a parts list but but rather show people examples of what a scale rig is and what it is not and then let their minds run wild. Post up a pic or two of a good scale rig and point out what makes it scale then post up the usual TVP chassied crawler and give examples of why it does not really belong in that forum. I also dont care for the fact that it seems like anything that is not 1/10-1/12th scale is excluded when there are some amazing builds that are bigger and smaller that get burried in all of the "I have an idea that has been posted million times already" threads and then lost. Ideas used to build a scale rig are not limited to a perticular size of rig and that is why I think it would be good to have all of those ideas and experiances in one place. | ||
06-07-2006, 07:49 PM | #7 |
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we appreciate the feedback in to which helps us run this site better, but you could go about it in a different tone of voice( yeah yeah I know- but you understand what I am saying) The way you wrote this comment could start a pissing match real fast |
06-07-2006, 07:51 PM | #8 |
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Point taken.
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06-07-2006, 07:54 PM | #9 |
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but as #1 states 1) A Scale vehicle must use a scale body. It can either be a hard body (Ie Bruiser,clod etc) or a Polycarbonate body. This means it should be something you can see everyday or on the trail/rocks. That means NO buggy/truggy type bodies. Bodies should be cut out how they were intended to be cut out. Removing some more wheel well room is acceptable to allow for tire clearance as well as bobbing beds or performing dove tails. Tubers that resemble real rock buggies or other rigs are acceptable as well I am lost as to- No buggy or truggy bodies, but yet we are allowed tubed frames and dovetails? I see truggy type trucks all over the trails. Maybe it was meant to be a complete hacked up body? I understand about the axles, cause that is what 90% of the people use, besides bruisers. Cause we know you do not find anything like this on the trail Last edited by TwistedCreations; 06-07-2006 at 07:57 PM. |
06-07-2006, 07:55 PM | #10 | |
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All this whining from a guy that can't spell chassis correctly. Have you even built a scale rig? Have you seen any of the rigs that the author of that stickie has made? Keep in mind they are "guidelines" and there will always be exceptions for rigs like King Cobra built. Do you honestly think if Kingcobra created that build thread in the scale rigs forum we would move it out? | |
06-07-2006, 07:59 PM | #11 | |
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06-07-2006, 08:19 PM | #12 | |
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Yes I have built some scale rigs, but my work is not of the caliber of some people here and I do not bother to trumpet my work. And yes, I have seen the rigs built by 1badjeepbruiser and have complimented his work many times; do you think I am blind? I know you think I am an a$$hole but I do not care about that. Last edited by slugzracing; 06-07-2006 at 08:31 PM. | |
06-07-2006, 09:19 PM | #13 |
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I agree with many of the point you have said Slugz. Hell your Ranger is a sweet scaler and it uses clod axles To me scale means if I have to look twice to see that it is radio controlled it might just be a scaler, no matter what axles it has |
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06-08-2006, 03:40 AM | #15 |
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I guess every person has their own idea of scale. I understand the idea of using a shaft driven vehicle to work from as the best idea because 99% of all 4x4s are shaft driven(i think there was a pikes peak rig that used duel engines one for the front axle one for the back), but that doesnt mean that a clod based rig can't be scale. I've seen real rigs around where I live that are totaly jacked with massive lifts crazy huge tires, mutilated body, hell some of them look less scale than a stock nylint and they are 1:1. I agree with Jason, if you have to look twice to make sure its a R/C vehicle its scale. Chassis with shocks that lay almost flat doesnt really look like the chassis of the 1:1 counterpart. At the moment I'm having Double J work on a XJ tube chassis for me. Its honestly not scale, how many tuber XJ's have you seen? But, in my mind it is. I guess the real quote for this whole thread would be "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
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06-09-2006, 11:09 AM | #16 |
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I posted a reply in chit chat...slugz with all ranting you obviosly missed out on the part that said if you have any questions to contact me or another mod the rules will be revised again...obviosly some think I am to harsh... Mike |
06-09-2006, 11:25 AM | #17 |
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The GUIDELINES were revised to better suite the needs of the site and the members. Mike |
06-09-2006, 12:48 PM | #18 |
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Didn't mean to sound critical of your work, I just disagreed w/ some of the guidelines. Cant please everyone. I wouldn't want to have to try! Dez |
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