2010 Rules Questions

[slobin3d]

There are several changes in this years Rules. Post up any questions here, and we'll help explain anything you might need

[highlandcrawler]

Wondering on the exhaust point. How much needs to be visible. Does the pipe have to run from the motor area?

[Culetto]

This always looked like a fun even to me but im still working on my first scaler. I noticed there are no suspension/wheelbase/axle limits and this is great since it becomes a more open build-it-for-fun event but wouldnt that also open the door to some very comp worthy rigs that just happen to fit the rules? or is that the idea?

I never would have thought my 6x6 would be legal for any scaler comp but it seems like it would be from my reading so i might have to look into this.

[DUDE]

Originally Posted by Culetto

but wouldnt that also open the door to some very comp worthy rigs that just happen to fit the rules? or is that the idea?

not really, the new rules more or less killed the fact that you used to be able to build a comp worthy rig. With the new rules, my 2.2 won't even be close to having enough scale points to even run in a comp. My 1.9 is more like a trail class truck under the new rules and that too is 3 points shy of the scale points to run too.

The new rules are geared to killing the so called "cheater" truck. They basically put me out of competing in scale after I just got started 4 months ago. I am not going to rebuild both of my rigs to have them drive worse than they do now. My rigs do pretty damn good as is.

Thanks for nothing!!!!

[Culetto]

Maybe im just not understanding it then. Ill re-read it when i get home and pull out my 6x6 and see how it stacks up.

[666]

Why the ban on IMEX Rubicons?

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by DUDE

not really, the new rules more or less killed the fact that you used to be able to build a comp worthy rig. With the new rules, my 2.2 won't even be close to having enough scale points to even run in a comp. My 1.9 is more like a trail class truck under the new rules and that too is 3 points shy of the scale points to run too.

The new rules are geared to killing the so called "cheater" truck. They basically put me out of competing in scale after I just got started 4 months ago. I am not going to rebuild both of my rigs to have them drive worse than they do now. My rigs do pretty damn good as is.

Thanks for nothing!!!!

We relaxed most all the rules save for the tire ban and the minimum scale points, so what put your rigs out?

[EvilTwin v2]

I just don't get the tire weight rule.

First off, how do you plan to realistically tech this? You would have to open up at least 1 front & 1 rear tire on each vehicle to see what weight was added.

Secondly, this rule really only benefits the light weight build (lexan body, plastic parts, etc.) that can effectively use only 12oz of weight. However, only 12oz in a hard bodied, metal tube & bumper, 3-speed rig is nothing. If you were to enforce a tire weight rule, it should have been done as a percentage of total rig weight.

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by Culetto

This always looked like a fun even to me but im still working on my first scaler. I noticed there are no suspension/wheelbase/axle limits and this is great since it becomes a more open build-it-for-fun event but wouldnt that also open the door to some very comp worthy rigs that just happen to fit the rules? or is that the idea?

I never would have thought my 6x6 would be legal for any scaler comp but it seems like it would be from my reading so i might have to look into this.

multiaxled rigs are cool as long as only the front axle/s turn

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by 666

Why the ban on IMEX Rubicons?

they are a comp tire.

[666]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

they are a comp tire.

As are Moabs, Flatirons, Rock Carvers, and quite a few others, annnnd, when have you ever seen a Rubicon be competitive? :-P

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by 666

As are Moabs, Flatirons, Rock Carvers, and quite a few others, annnnd, when have you ever seen a Rubicon be competitive? :-P

All of those tires were heavily debated as were all the tires on the list.

Carvers are pitbull tires, fatirons are BFG's moabs were allowed just because they have been around and so many people have used them, and it was a split descision on if they should be allowed.

[rider12693]

i think that the rules should be loosened up alittle so it will be more like a "run what you brung" event

[Culetto]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

multiaxled rigs are cool as long as only the front axle/s turn

Oh then this might be very interesting. I dont know much about scale but from what i read more than 15scale pts can be applied to your score up to 30.

Just to make sure im understanding if i have 20 scale points and run a combined 16 on all the courses my final score would be 11 or -4?

[666]

Does the "full sized spare" have to be exactly the same as the tires you are running?

Also, the bed on a truggy would have to have nothing more than a spare tire?

My Toyota cab is severely trimmed to where most of the fenders are gone, no grill, headlights either. Illegal?

Another, If I have a dig transmission, can I still run, just not use it?

[slobin3d]

>>>>> Edited after rereading for clarification

Originally Posted by 666

Does the "full sized spare" have to be exactly the same as the tires you are running? No it doesn't have to be the same tire, it has to be within 1/4 inch of the size for the 4 tires used.

Also, the bed on a truggy would have to have nothing more than a spare tire? Yes that would be legal

My Toyota cab is severely trimmed to where most of the fenders are gone, no grill, headlights either. Illegal? In the trail class it would be, street class most likely not.

Another, If I have a dig transmission, can I still run, just not use it?
if it's locked into 4wd with no servo attached, reads linkage removed. it should be fine

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by Culetto

Oh then this might be very interesting. I dont know much about scale but from what i read more than 15scale pts can be applied to your score up to 30.

Just to make sure im understanding if i have 20 scale points and run a combined 16 on all the courses my final score would be 11 or -4?

anything after your minimum scale points up to a combined total of 30 will be removed to you final score at the end of the event.

IE if you scored 100 points for the day in the trail class your adjusted total would be 85 if you had a 30 point truck if you had a 15 point truck (minimum for trail) your score would be 100 with no adjustment

Does this make sense?

[Culetto]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

anything after your minimum scale points up to a combined total of 30 will be removed to you final score at the end of the event.

IE if you scored 100 points for the day in the trail class your adjusted total would be 85 if you had a 30 point truck if you had a 15 point truck (minimum for trail) your score would be 100 with no adjustment

Does this make sense?

Yup, thats how i was reading it. Ok i might have to make this trip then. Just have to start figuring out the scale points but my rig is right at the point where the chassis/suspension is where i pretty much want it so now its just the toys and goodies. TY for the help.

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by Culetto

Yup, thats how i was reading it. Ok i might have to make this trip then. Just have to start figuring out the scale points but my rig is right at the point where the chassis/suspension is where i pretty much want it so now its just the toys and goodies. TY for the help.

No prob, keep in mind that certain Items have a max limit IE tools and camp items that after x amount they no longer add to your points

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by highlandcrawler

Wondering on the exhaust point. How much needs to be visible. Does the pipe have to run from the motor area?

I hadn't forgotten about you. yes full exhaust from the engine bay back, not the tips like what you get in the Hi-lift kits. hope that helps