* Official 2011 Scale Rules Questions Thread *

[team3six]

Originally Posted by country_crawler

Think so?

Check out the tires on the rear of this buggy. I think the spacing looks scale on these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6CelAZiyds

They already have been approved as scale.
But whats the difference, Are you gonna come to MSD's and run them. Probably not. Turtle isn't.

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by team3six

They already have been approved as scale.
But whats the difference, Are you gonna come to MSD's and run them. Probably not. Turtle isn't.

Thats not nice, if there is a bunch of snow I'll run them. Otherwise they are worthless on rock.

[TraxFD]

I dont have any problems with the tire choices. But are the approved tires based off of actual tires or tires that have been grooved and siped to resemble something else?

Good work to all who helped develop the rules

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by Locked Up

Points would depend on exactly what you show up with.


Legal? ... Is the body, sectioned, narrowed or is it a body like metal masher has?

You apparently don't know what an f-toy is. This is an F-toy. Kaetwo question was to a very specific rig type.

More pics: 1.9 scale rig picture archive - No talking

[slobin3d]

Winch -2
Lights -2
Tow strap -1
Hubs -1
3d Interior -3
Drop bed -3



And by the rules... I don't see why you couldn't point it as a tuber. as long as it has a Rail chassis and if meets all the body specs for width length and height. so assuming all of the above is correct then. -8

for a grand total of 20 points assuming I didn't miss anything in the pictures.

[sloppy]

Originally Posted by PinchFlat

You apparently don't know what an f-toy is. This is an F-toy. Kaetwo question was to a very specific rig type.

More pics: 1.9 scale rig picture archive - No talking

I just can imagine anyone on the rules committee does not know what a Ftoy is at this point. There were plenty of them posted up, And they were discussed allot along the way..

[bsn]

Will MSD go to the new SORROCORABCRCCA rules next year? Just wondering if I should build to them and the posted rules. Save me some rebuilding next year. I haven't compared them so don't hate on me if they are the same.



Then again, the way my rig looked after last year, I will be rebuilding anyways.

[Locked Up]

Originally Posted by PinchFlat

You apparently don't know what an f-toy is. This is an F-toy. Kaetwo question was to a very specific rig type.

More pics: 1.9 scale rig picture archive - No talking

I don't like to regurgitate information and I'd prefer for people to learn things for themselves. Rather than me just saying something rude I'm trying to get people to ask their own questions and think critically ... for themselves. If you want to take that as a lack of intelligence on my part, go right ahead.


All questions that need to be asked for that rig:
Are the electronics visible from the top or sides?
Has the body has been narrowed or sectioned?
Is the front is pinched, rear dove tailed & sides boat sided?
There are more but I would hope that would get the brain activity going.


Chances are, if a guy can go through the entire set of rules and not find anything he has to lie to himself about, the rig is good to go.

In that particular case, I'd have to stop at the first question and say it is NOT legal for any class because of the visible electronics.

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by bsn

Will MSD go to the new SORROCORABCRCCA rules next year? Just wondering if I should build to them and the posted rules. Save me some rebuilding next year. I haven't compared them so don't hate on me if they are the same.



Then again, the way my rig looked after last year, I will be rebuilding anyways.

The rules are the same. save for a few Minor event specifics. And yes MSD plans on supporting the SORRCA Rules and Specs

[bsn]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

The rules are the same. save for a few Minor event specifics. And yes MSD plans on supporting the SORRCA Rules and Specs

Thanks, you saved me a lot of reading. I only need to read the MSD set now. I'm getting my welder tomorrow so I can start building.

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by kaetwo

Just a quick couple of questions Aaron.

How would an F-Toy (cage wise) point out if it was brazed to an Axial frame?

Would it be legal as a Trail (Class 2) rig?

Originally Posted by slobin3d

And by the rules... I don't see why you couldn't point it as a tuber. as long as it has a Rail chassis and if meets all the body specs for width length and height. so assuming all of the above is correct then. -8

Thanks slobin exactly what we wanted to know. Both Kaetwo & I wanted to know this and didn't want to double post. I know these were judged as tubers in the past even with the rail chassis, but we didn't want to assume this time around. Thanks Aaron for your reply and all your awesomeness.

[kaetwo]

Originally Posted by Locked Up

I don't like to regurgitate information and I'd prefer for people to learn things for themselves. Rather than me just saying something rude I'm trying to get people to ask their own questions and think critically ... for themselves. If you want to take that as a lack of intelligence on my part, go right ahead.


All questions that need to be asked for that rig:
Are the electronics visible from the top or sides?
Has the body has been narrowed or sectioned?
Is the front is pinched, rear dove tailed & sides boat sided?
There are more but I would hope that would get the brain activity going.


Chances are, if a guy can go through the entire set of rules and not find anything he has to lie to himself about, the rig is good to go.

In that particular case, I'd have to stop at the first question and say it is NOT legal for any class because of the visible electronics.

It would have taken you less time to just answer the question than post this rant above.

[kaetwo]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

Winch -2
Lights -2
Tow strap -1
Hubs -1
3d Interior -3
Drop bed -3



And by the rules... I don't see why you couldn't point it as a tuber. as long as it has a Rail chassis and if meets all the body specs for width length and height. so assuming all of the above is correct then. -8

for a grand total of 20 points assuming I didn't miss anything in the pictures.

Thanks bud

[Locked Up]

Originally Posted by kaetwo

It would have taken you less time to just answer the question than post this rant above.

Fair enough.

I'm sorry if I came across as an ass to you in my initial post.
That was not my intent in any way.

[team3six]

Good god, guys just relax. Let's just try and help eachother and move to have great time and year. I would love to see another F-toy at this years msd's.

[kaetwo]

Will an F-Toy get tube fender points? I'm a little hazzy on what constitutes "tube fenders".

With only getting -1 point for the pair, it would make sense that if a tube passes over the front or rear wheels, that would constitue a tube fender. Am I way off base?

Thanks a bunch

[country_crawler]

Originally Posted by team3six

They already have been approved as scale.
But whats the difference, Are you gonna come to MSD's and run them. Probably not. Turtle isn't.

Alright cool I didn't notice they were.

I'm not I have better performing tires on my scaler that would look way better, but somebody might.

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by kaetwo

Will an F-Toy get tube fender points? I'm a little hazzy on what constitutes "tube fenders".

With only getting -1 point for the pair, it would make sense that if a tube passes over the front or rear wheels, that would constitue a tube fender. Am I way off base?

Thanks a bunch

I would say that if you're already getting tuber points for it, the tube fenders would be part of the structure of the tube body. I'd could give you inner fender points though, and they would hide all the wiring and electronics.

[kaetwo]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I would say that if you're already getting tuber points for it, the tube fenders would be part of the structure of the tube body. I'd could give you inner fender points though, and they would hide all the wiring and electronics.

Fair enough.

What about bumpers and rock rails? If they connect to the tuber do they count as part of the tube work or as individual items (i.e. front bumper, rear bumper and rock rails)?

Here is an example of the front bumper, but you'll get the idea for the rear and rock rails through example.

[War Pig]

Is that done, or are you going to do a little more fabricating? If I were building it, I'd count the individual items.

cage -3
sliders -3
front bumper -3
maybe shock mounts? -2
rear bumper? -3

I'd be more inclined to do that since it's built off an SCX10 chassis and you don't have to take the tuber points.

Just a thought, but Aaron is the man to ask .