* Official 2011 Scale Rules Questions Thread *

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by kaetwo

Fair enough.

What about bumpers and rock rails? If they connect to the tuber do they count as part of the tube work or as individual items (i.e. front bumper, rear bumper and rock rails)?

Here is an example of the front bumper, but you'll get the idea for the rear and rock rails through example.

I would say its a stinger and no bumper. Rock sliders are iffy. But if its an F-toy I'd be inclined to call it a c-2 tuber and not tube fenders sliders or bumper unless they were not integrated into the tube/cage work. but you could still get inner fenders, drop bed and such

[TraxFD]

If I cut holes for shock mounts in a drop bed will that cancel out the drop bed points?

[ecoli]

Originally Posted by TraxFD

If I cut holes for shock mounts in a drop bed will that cancel out the drop bed points?

If they're just big enough to allow the shocks to poke through and mount up, I wouldn't think so. If you're cutting out half the bed and saving significant weight, that would likely cause you to run into issues.

[needs2hunt]

so per the rules and points setup ...

Bumpers (items must be chassis mounted and separate from the body)
• Bumpers : metal -3 each , plastic -1 each
• Stinger/grill guard: -1
• Spare tire carrier (must be bumper mounted): -1



a prerunner, bed mounted spare tire rack would be useless???

[EvilTwin v2]

Originally Posted by biteme

so per the rules and points setup ...

Bumpers (items must be chassis mounted and separate from the body)
• Bumpers : metal -3 each , plastic -1 each
• Stinger/grill guard: -1
• Spare tire carrier (must be bumper mounted): -1



a prerunner, bed mounted spare tire rack would be useless???

Not useless. It would still hold a spare tire. We were trying to come up with things that affected performance. There is no significant performance decrease from a tube bed with roll cage vs a tube bed with roll cage and prerunner spare tire mount.

[needs2hunt]

Originally Posted by EvilTwin v2

Not useless. It would still hold a spare tire. We were trying to come up with things that affected performance. There is no significant performance decrease from a tube bed with roll cage vs a tube bed with roll cage and prerunner spare tire mount.

yea but my thinking was on a fullbodied rig with a dropped bed and a spare tire rack in the bed...


or what about something like this... it is not "bumper mounted"...

http://www.truckcandy.com/TC/TireGate/TireGate.htm


I'm not trying to be a pain... honest!!! just need answers...

[EvilTwin v2]

We can only make so many people happy. We tried releasing a set of very inclusive & thorough rules. Most people complained that it was too much, confusing and took the fun out of scale comps. So, we simplified things. We left things alot more up to the builder, with a focus on keeping the events fun. Sorry if we didn't include an item or two that people may have wanted, but it was done in order to focus on a simple and fun ruleset.

[needs2hunt]

Originally Posted by EvilTwin v2

We can only make so many people happy. We tried releasing a set of very inclusive & thorough rules. Most people complained that it was too much, confusing and took the fun out of scale comps. So, we simplified things. We left things alot more up to the builder, with a focus on keeping the events fun. Sorry if we didn't include an item or two that people may have wanted, but it was done in order to focus on a simple and fun ruleset.

it's not that I'm unhappy with the rules... i think they rock!!!

I was fine with the first set of rules...

I was trying to figure out the whys of the sparetire rack on the bumper... and kinda got the answer...

I now know which way to go with my build... thanks for the answer...

[EvilTwin v2]

Originally Posted by biteme

it's not that I'm unhappy with the rules... i think they rock!!!

I was fine with the first set of rules...

I was trying to figure out the whys of the sparetire rack on the bumper... and kinda got the answer...

I now know which way to go with my build... thanks for the answer...

Fair enough. The biggest reason for the reward for a bumper mount is the decreased departure angle that you end up with when running a bumper mount spare.

[TraxFD]

Originally Posted by ecoli

If they're just big enough to allow the shocks to poke through and mount up, I wouldn't think so. If you're cutting out half the bed and saving significant weight, that would likely cause you to run into issues.

Thanks.

[PinchFlat]

Aaron...

I need an official ruling. Would this be considered boat sides of just sliders?

Thanks

[Tommy R]

It's not really possible to define without the body present.

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by Tommy R

It's not really possible to define without the body present.

Body sits right on top of the rail like in this pic.

[Tommy R]

If you didn't cut into the body, it's just sliders. If you removed part of the body (up to 1") then it's boatsides. I'm not entirely familiar with that body (Tamiya Bronco?), but if so it looks like maybe 1/2" has been removed which would make them boatsides.

Hope this helps, but for MSD Aaron/Ben would have the final say.

[PinchFlat]

The Bronco in the picture is cut to the bottom of the door this removed about 1/4" of lexan. So in that case it would be boat sides.

That definition works for a body but what if it were just a side panel used and not an actual door on a body. How would one determine whether or not if it was boat sided then?

[EvilTwin v2]

My thoughts on boatsides was that they had to actually have a panel. A boat side was when you removed a section of the side of the body and replaced it with a panel that is angled from the rest of the body inward toward the body, much like a boat. Without some sort of panel to cover it, at least to me, they're simply sliders. Also, I feel that boat sides should be part of the body...or at least look as though they're part of the body. That's at least my opinion on it.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by PinchFlat

The Bronco in the picture is cut to the bottom of the door this removed about 1/4" of lexan. So in that case it would be boat sides.

That definition works for a body but what if it were just a side panel used and not an actual door on a body. How would one determine whether or not if it was boat sided then?

I assume you're referring to an F-Toy or something like that. Honestly, I'm not sure what to tell you about that since it didn't have a real body to begin with it would be impossible to tell how much "body" has been removed.

[Metal Masher]

I have another question about my truck. If i were to replace the frame with C channel and stop it just behind the cab and keeping the rest of the chassis the way it is would it be considered a truggy even with the bed sides? It technically would be tubing behind the cab past the axle.

[slobin3d]

Boatsides have to be skinned and replace a section of the body, if its open then it's just a slider.


Yes Masher if your replace your tube with rail from the skid forward it would be a truggy, you can't double dip on the points though so you would get full hard body or 1/2 cab and truggy which ever is more

[PinchFlat]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

Boatsides have to be skinned and replace a section of the body, if its open then it's just a slider.