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[Hardline]

Originally Posted by Nova's Ark

As for your application, the 5.5 might be better. The Crawl Space in Colorado sells mostly 5.5's because of the rock in their area.

Okay, 5.5's then. There won't be much space for the outer foams, so should I use softs ft & rear?

I had been thinking 5.25's with med/med or even med/firm to stand the pins up, but I'll stay with your suggestions.

[Nova's Ark]

Originally Posted by Hardline

Okay, 5.5's then. There won't be much space for the outer foams, so should I use softs ft & rear?

I had been thinking 5.25's with med/med or even med/firm to stand the pins up, but I'll stay with your suggestions.

I wouldn't use softs front and rear myself, but people still do. Every crawler, terrain & driving style is different. You'll just have to find what works best for you.

I think this would be a good option also:
5.25's with med/med

[ratterd]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

No problem Eddie, it's an old racer trick when we had to save foams.

Pre-heat over to 300-350, once its warm turn it off and stick the foams in and let the oven cool down with the door closed.

Takes a foam from looking like its been rounded being stuck in the tire back to the nice square cut edges it originally had. Also gets any old moisture or simple green that might have soaked in out safely.

I noticed this helps them go back to the original shape and seems like it makes them feel like new or close to new even if they've been stuck inside tires/wheels for months. Helps me tune better since I know I can get the foams back to original shape and firmness.

I'll definitely get pictures next time I cook up the foams to show a side by side of the change caused.

Was this done with the closed cell foams Because I have A pair that were in some VP .7 rims and they do'nt whant to go back to their original shape.Their staying about half their original size.

[Szczerba]

Originally Posted by ratterd

Was this done with the closed cell foams Because I have A pair that were in some VP .7 rims and they do'nt whant to go back to their original shape.Their staying about half their original size.

I don't think the oven-drying method will work on closed cell foams due to their construction in general. The foam is "closed cell" (think of tiny balloons glued together) as opposed to 99.9% other crawler foams that are "open cell".

Mainly the oven drying is to get all the water/moisture/build up out of the open cells in the foam. But I have dried several sets of water logged open celled foams with good results.

Eddie or someone, correct me if I am wrong.

[Nova's Ark]

Originally Posted by ratterd

Was this done with the closed cell foams Because I have A pair that were in some VP .7 rims and they do'nt whant to go back to their original shape.Their staying about half their original size.

How old are your foams?
What size are they?

Originally Posted by Szczerba

I don't think the oven-drying method will work on closed cell foams due to their construction in general. The foam is "closed cell" (think of tiny balloons glued together) as opposed to 99.9% other crawler foams that are "open cell".

Mainly the oven drying is to get all the water/moisture/build up out of the open cells in the foam. But I have dried several sets of water logged open celled foams with good results.

Eddie or someone, correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct

[ratterd]

[QUOTE=Nova's Ark;4034579]How old are your foams?
What size are they?



Thay are about 4 months old,Thay have three comps on them and two practice sessions.Thay are 5.5 nerrows

[Nova's Ark]

Originally Posted by ratterd

Thay are about 4 months old,Thay have three comps on them and two practice sessions.Thay are 5.5 nerrows

The .7 wheel is pretty narrow (although it's a popular size) and it keeps a constant pressure on the closed cell more than a 1" wide wheel would (I like to recommend a 1" or wider bead lock). As the closed cell breaks down, it does not regain it's original shape. It condenses to a certain point and pretty much maintains that size for a while. When the closed cell is bad or broken completely, it becomes soft and pliable. This is usually after several months of constant use & abuse.

The 5.5 narrow foam is 1.50" wide. The .7 wheel is half the width so it's applying a steady pressure on the closed cell inner. Keep in mind that most 2.2 tires average about 2" wide at the tread. They become skinnier when the side walls are shaved.

[jacobflyin]

So I quickly scanned some pages and did not see any one that put up Suggestions for a 4lbs rig with .7 wheels and BOSS CLAW I do not use boss claws but I am sure no one runs Leopards and the boss claw is the closest in size.

So what would you run in a .7 wheel with boss claws and a 4lbs rig Here is the list of foams I just got from you in the mail today I hope the right starting point is in my list HAHA

5.0 soft
5.0 med
5.25 soft
5.25 med
outer tuning rings
soft
med
hard

I was thinking of starting with the 2.25 soft up front and the 2.25 med in the rear.

But I would love to hear your input.

Thanks for the great service and fast shipping

[Nova's Ark]

Originally Posted by jacobflyin

So I quickly scanned some pages and did not see any one that put up Suggestions for a 4lbs rig with .7 wheels and BOSS CLAW I do not use boss claws but I am sure no one runs Leopards and the boss claw is the closest in size.

So what would you run in a .7 wheel with boss claws and a 4lbs rig Here is the list of foams I just got from you in the mail today I hope the right starting point is in my list HAHA

5.0 soft
5.0 med
5.25 soft
5.25 med
outer tuning rings
soft
med
hard

I was thinking of starting with the 2.25 soft up front and the 2.25 med in the rear.

But I would love to hear your input.

Thanks for the great service and fast shipping

My Secret Agent XR-10 is 4 pounds 10 ounces with shaved and grooved rovers.
I'm using:
5.25 Double Deuce
Narrow / Soft - Front + 5.0" Tuning Discs on both sides

5.0 Double Deuce
Narrow / Medium - Rear

Thank you for your business.

[jacobflyin]

Ok so maybe I need to run the 5.0 all the way around when I said 4lbs I should have clarified I am 4 lbs 1.2 oz.

But you kind of have me a good starting point based on weight of the truck.

Thank you.

[Hardline]

When I shaved my rovers, the tires softened up a great deal and got pretty wimpy with 5.5 CC/soft. So I tried to fit a medium tuning ring over the outer and had no success at all in getting it installed. No matter which order I installed things in, I always wound up with folds in the ring and sometimes folds in the outer. What's the trick? I finally gave up and went to 525/mediums to avoid needing rings.

[isyeskeert]

My order is in! I am anxiously awaiting my set of closed cells.

[helhedded]

Originally Posted by Hardline

When I shaved my rovers, the tires softened up a great deal and got pretty wimpy with 5.5 CC/soft. So I tried to fit a medium tuning ring over the outer and had no success at all in getting it installed. No matter which order I installed things in, I always wound up with folds in the ring and sometimes folds in the outer. What's the trick? I finally gave up and went to 525/mediums to avoid needing rings.

How wide are the inners in your 5.5 combo and what size wheels are you using them with? The width of the inner has a lot to do with the overall feel of the tire.

[Hardline]

I think my wheels are a hair over 1" which was borderline between the two foams and I went with wide. I tried to preinstall the tuning ring over the outer, but when I folded them to get them into the tire it wouldn't unfold properly. Almost like the tuning ring is too long and has no place for the excess to go. I wish Eddie made oversize outers available when more stuffing is needed. My rovers were wadding up very badly on 5.5 soft, but seem happier with 5.25/medium. But I've never run a medium in a front before as I generally like soft tires.

[helhedded]

Originally Posted by Hardline

I think my wheels are a hair over 1" which was borderline between the two foams and I went with wide. I tried to preinstall the tuning ring over the outer, but when I folded them to get them into the tire it wouldn't unfold properly. Almost like the tuning ring is too long and has no place for the excess to go. I wish Eddie made oversize outers available when more stuffing is needed. My rovers were wadding up very badly on 5.5 soft, but seem happier with 5.25/medium. But I've never run a medium in a front before as I generally like soft tires.

Tuning rings can be tough to get mounted correctly but it is possible. I usually bunch the foam up outside of the tire before installation, then I stuff it into the tire, next I use my fingers to push around the foam out and to make sure that it fills the tire evenly.

Keep in mind that you softened up the Rover considerably by shaving it so it will need a stiffer foam to make up for the difference.

I run shaved Rovers on my Shafty. With .75" wheels I use a 5.5 Soft combo up front BUT the rig weighs in at 4.5lbs. Any heavier and I'd be looking into more foam support.

[Turn'Nburn]

Trying to figure out which foams to buy. I have a heavy solid rod tuber with 2.2 proline super swampers on Mayhem 1" wide wheels. I will be using it for a mix of rock crawling and southern buggy style hill shooting. Thanks for the help!

[Nova's Ark]

Originally Posted by Turn'Nburn

Trying to figure out which foams to buy. I have a heavy solid rod tuber with 2.2 proline super swampers on Mayhem 1" wide wheels. I will be using it for a mix of rock crawling and southern buggy style hill shooting. Thanks for the help!

What does "a heavy solid rod tuber" weigh RTR?

I don't know what it weighs but the bead on the Pro-Line SX Swamper sucks. If it is heavy (whatever that means), putting a foam big enough to hold the weight won't matter cause the bead won't hold (such as a 6.0" inner for example).

So my suggestion is:

5.5 Double Deuce
Narrow / Medium
Narrow / Firm

[Turn'Nburn]

Originally Posted by Nova's Ark

What does "a heavy solid rod tuber" weigh RTR?

I don't know what it weighs but the bead on the Pro-Line SX Swamper sucks. If it is heavy (whatever that means), putting a foam big enough to hold the weight won't matter cause the bead won't hold (such as a 6.0" inner for example).

So my suggestion is:

5.5 Double Deuce
Narrow / Medium
Narrow / Firm

I don't know what it weighs, I don't have a scale. I say heavy because it's heavy, lol. Heavier than a Wraith. I have had no problems holding a bead with my super swampers, the Mayhems are pretty awesome in that department.

I will go with what you recommended, it has to be a lot better than the stock memory foams in it now.

[saqsquatcher]

I have a wraith that weighs 8lbs to be used for mainly crawling. I have PB2's but need foams oh yeah vanquish omf wheels.

[stelerzman]

Hey guy's, I need your wisdom. I just got my Voodoo's in, silver and blue compounds. I already have a set of 4 DD close cell in 5.25". I think soft and med. My rig is around 4.5 lbs with 1" VP v5 repun slw's and I would like to know what do you recommend to fill the tire.

Thanks for your help.