what does the super rooster have that the rooster dosen't...

[badtodabone]

and is the rooster good for crawling? can it handle intergy lathe motors with 9 tooth pinions? I am rebuilding Fireant and need a new esc but can't afford a super rooster so help me out here. Thanks

[SR5Dave]

ANYTHING can handle lathe motors w/ 9 tooths. Those are 55T motors. No matter how you wire them its less current than a stock motor. Way less.

I think the diff between the rooster and SR is that the Rooster can do 6-8 cells, and down to 11 turns (?) and the SR is 10cells (It will do more) and no motor limit.

But actually, all ESC's use a certain style amp, which are rated to like 25V. Any of them could probably handle more, the problem is the motor, when you use more volts than reccomended it basically creates a short circuit and pulls to much current, thats what kills the ESC.

But again, Lathe motors don't pull jack for current. Just get the Rooster. Hell, a super cheap one could probably handle them. (But I would still reccomend the rooster) I'm also happy with my EVX, which was 110$ shipped.

[bigred]

the rooster is really for a one motored truck the super rooster is for two motored trucks other than that i think there the same oh ya the rooster can only handle stock motors and the super rooster can handel unlimited motors and i PM you back

[SR5Dave]

Originally Posted by bigred

the rooster is really for a one motored truck the super rooster is for two motored trucks other than that i think there the same oh ya the rooster can only handle stock motors and the super rooster can handel unlimited motors and i PM you back

Rooster can handle 15 turns. Stock motor is 27. Rooster can handle dual motors in series, but two stock motors in parralel is pushin it. With lathe motors I can't forsee any problem though.

[schlabinski]

Don't forget to compare the BEC specs. If you want to run two servos without a receiver pack, the super rooster will give you the advantage.

[AdamF]

I run a regular rooster with 2 Mag mayhems and 9 tooth pinions. Never overheated, no problems.

[Wookie]

The big difference between the Rooset and the Super rooster is:

1. The super rooster if I remember does not have a turn limit and if it does it's very low. The rooster is limited to 15 turns. Both can easily run two 55 turn motors in series or parallel.

2. The super rooster has 3 amps of current for it's BEC which is very helpful when running two servos. The Rooster only has a .5 amp BEC, which makes it hard to run two servos with out a receiver pack.

[Section8]

Would the Rooster Handle 10 cells with a single Lathe motor? Does the draw make any difference at all to the ESC if it is looking at 12 volts when it only wants 7?

It'd be alot cooooler if it did...


Greg

[Grizzly4x4]

http://www.teamnovak.com/products/ES...erse_index.htm

[Section8]

It answers alot of questions, except if an extremely high number of turns will change the voltagel imit/requirement of an esc. Everything on that page is directed to the lowest turns. I would assume that you could run two of the lathe motors in series with the Rooster, as was posted here, and they think that you could probably run them in parallel as well.

Unless someone knows what the voltage/amprage the lathe motor uses (or has an electronics background) the specs won't help. I don't think the esc would like running a little light bulb with a 10 cell pack (you can't plug 110 v equipment into a 220 outlet and expect it to work like it should not matter how small the draw), but I would like someone who knows something about electronics to tell me that since I know as much about AC and DC as moon rocks..

Greg

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by Section8

since I know as much about AC and DC as moon rocks..

Greg

I have heard of people running a SR on 12 cells even though it is only designed for 10. So I would say there is a safety factor in the ESC's that may allow more input voltage than recommended but I can/will not recommend that anyone do it. I dont want to be blamed for a cooked ESC.

Current draw through the ESC will be less for a lathe motor than a stock can and I have run dual stock cans wired in parallel with a rooster, however, input voltage limits are not affected by what motor you use.

[Section8]

Thank you very much.

[Grizzly4x4]

No problem.

After reading back through the post I realized that I was basicly repeating what Dave said.

Originally Posted by SR5Dave

But actually, all ESC's use a certain style amp, which are rated to like 25V. Any of them could probably handle more, the problem is the motor, when you use more volts than reccomended it basically creates a short circuit and pulls to much current, thats what kills the ESC.

Just didnt want Dave to think I was ignoring him.

[Section8]

Thats the post that kind of let me believe that it might be possible to go over the voltage (even though I though better of it) since the draw from the lathe motor is low, that adding a "little" short wouldn't be additive enough to release the magic smoke.


Yeaaa....I think that I will refrain from posting any more in this thread.

[SR5Dave]

Thanks for the credit griz ;)

Lathe motors don't pull anything, at all. I sealed my EVX in tupperware so I could play in the snow, not a single problem (thats lathe motors on 14.4V even) Anything will handle them, probably even the rooster with a few extra cells.

[iwantoffroad]

Grizzly4x4
I tinking of a new esc to buy and wanted to know?

Current draw through the ESC will be less for a lathe motor than a stock can and I have run dual stock cans wired in parallel with a rooster,

So your saying that you have done this before
Rooster with 2 stock cans and run them in parrallel.

Does the rooster get hot?
Which type of nicad battery is needed (volts)

thanks

[T-Man]

Okay, here is a question for you. I have a Clod now with a Hitech 645 servo on front and I am going to put lathe motors and possible a reduction unit on it.

If this is all I am running, then a Rooster is good enough for this? And I can pull my SR and put it on the new Clod I have with dual steering set-up, lathe motors and stormer or TTR reductions? And maybe some Kongs.

I have been trying to figure out what all I want to do with this today, but it keeps coming around that I should just pick up a SR and leave my older one alone.

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by iwantoffroad

Grizzly4x4
So your saying that you have done this before
Rooster with 2 stock cans and run them in parrallel.

Does the rooster get hot?
Which type of nicad battery is needed (volts)

thanks

Originally Posted by T-Man

Grizzly4x4
I have a Clod now with a Hitech 645 servo on front and I am going to put lathe motors and possible a reduction unit on it.

If this is all I am running, then a Rooster is good enough for this?

I ran The Duke for many, many months with stock cans, a HiTec 5645MG steering servo, and a Rooster ESC. I had both 5" Masher 2000 tires and Savage tires on it during that time and never had any overheating problems. The ESC would get pretty warm but never did a thermal shutdown.
Later on I installed MM motors, sometimes the ESC would "freeze up" when the big tires were bound up and I was giving it throttle at the same time but as soon as I let go of the steering the throttle came back. Again, it never did a thermal shutdown though. To fix this occasional "freeze" problem I installed a receiver pack. I am testing a 5V voltage regulator soldered to the main battery pack right now that should eliminate the need for a receiver pack. It's werking great so far.

So, iwantoffroad and T-Man, because I have also run lathe motors I can honestly say that running a Rooster, dual lathe motors or stock cans in parallel, a single HiTec 5645MG steering servo, and a 7.2V NiCad main battery should werk fine.
If you have problems a receiver pack will fix it. Or look for my write up on the voltage regulator coming soon.

[T-Man]

I guess my issue is the extra weight of the receiver pack. Maybe I will just save the extra for the SR and forget about it.

I have also been reading about several people using the F1 ESC's. Does anyone here have any experience with these? From what I remember when I looked at them for my XXXT, I would be better off with the SR anyway, but just thought I would ask.

[iwantoffroad]

Thanks Grizzly4x4

I decided to get the rooster.

thanks for your imput