Surpass 540 775 diameter skewed armature 80A Auto Hold ESC compare to HH magnum brxl

[tommyclerk]

The surpass new brushed combo has released, so I bought some and compared with my HH magnum and BRXL.

They released 11t, 13t, 16t and 20t, 23t will release soon.

540 brushed motor, you can compare the size with my WALL-E.

The combo

The ESC setting program card and the motor wires. And you must change the initial start force to 5% if you want the smoothest and slowest startup.

The ESC has heat sink and water proof switch.

The ESC has a Auto Hold function like the BRXL's Holmes hold, and it can switch from 6.4V to 7.4V with 5A.

T plug and bullet connectors.

The motor is different from the former surp motors. It has a shiny motor can which is CNC machined.

You can see there are lots of heat emission holes on the motor.

24K gold plated solder and anti-interference PCB capacitor, the brushes are from Japan.

The timing range is 0-20

Let's compare to HH magnum. The surpass is little bit longer than the HH magnum, both are 185g weight.

The surpass motor can is CNC machined, the heat emission holes area is bigger than HH magnum. By the way, magnum motor can is from Japan, but I see the heat emission holes look like cheap industry 550 motor.

HH magnum (R)'s connectors are little bigger than surpass (L)'s.

HH magnum brushes are easy to burn, the surface become rough and the motor won't work.

And HH magnum's brushes spring broke when I was in a crawler competition. So my truck lose control and the motor didn't work.

Both rotors are so big, 775 diameter rotor and the rotor 's angle of inclination are the same. When you look closely to the rotor, you will find that the surpass (R) rotor lamination is thinner than HH magnum and will have better performance.

The winding patterns looks similar and the surpass has more balance plasticine.

HH magnum (L) is a 2 pole motor and surpass (R) is 4 pole motor, you can see 4 separate magnets.


The magnetic flux density comparison, you can see surpass has better performance.


ESC comparison, HH brxl is bigger but it support up to 6S lipo, I will use it for my 895 brushed motor in my 1/8 Brabus G550 crawler with 6S. And surpass only support up to 3S lipo.

https://youtu.be/Sa2wJqIj_Rc
Here is my comparison tests which include locked rotor torque, unloaded startup RPM, max unloaded RPM, low speed and smooth startup, drag brake strength and low speed crawl.

My crawler has a small gear ratio with 18t pinion gear, so it is easy to find out the differences of drag brake and especially on the 60° incline. The drag brake of surpass ESC is not as strong as HH brxl, I think maybe the ampere is low. However, the surpass combo is real a bargain that most could afford it and experience the auto hold drag brake and hard to slipe off from incline. The surpass motor has a smoother startup and slower speed control than former motors.

[Jboucher]

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[Jboucher]

Also, I am very skeptical of this. A cheaper motor beating Holmes in durability and slow speed control??

I am willing to accept more competition in our crawler world but I will wait for more independent reviews...

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[tommyclerk]

Originally Posted by Jboucher

Also, I am very skeptical of this. A cheaper motor beating Holmes in durability and slow speed control??

I am willing to accept more competition in our crawler world but I will wait for more independent reviews...

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The material cost of brushed motor is so low. And you can buy a HH magnum and a surpass 540 Plus motor to compare. In my video, you can see the HH combo has more torque and drag brake cause the brxl ESC, I love brxl so much, it is the most powerful brushed ESC I've ever used.

[JatoTheRipper]

Some of your photos are too large and they will need to be resized or I will have to delete them. The maximum photo size for this site is 1200x1200.

What is your affiliation with this company?

[tommyclerk]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Some of your photos are too large and they will need to be resized or I will have to delete them. The maximum photo size for this site is 1200x1200.

What is your affiliation with this company?

I am just a consumer and the company sells motors.

[GTSLOW]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Some of your photos are too large and they will need to be resized or I will have to delete them. The maximum photo size for this site is 1200x1200.

What is your affiliation with this company?

Sure feels a lot like a post we'd find here......

Random person with five posts lays out a big spread on how his new motors, which he has everyone the company makes, is better than a current sponsors product.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Thats a split 2 pole, not a 4 pole. Needing more balance epoxy isn't a good thing, either.

Just a matter of time before things get copied. At least they didn't use the same rotor lamination, so they couldn't get the same results from my magnet design.

One thing to notice is that my motor pulled twice the amps in the stall test. Way into saturation, not healthy for it, but it has a terminal resistance that is half of the surpass and produced more torque.

Typical startup of the Magnum is around 250 with the new CNC can due to higher accuracy, but it can be as high as 1000 when the magnets are a hair off the symmetry.

[tommyclerk]

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

Thats a split 2 pole, not a 4 pole. Needing more balance epoxy isn't a good thing, either.

Just a matter of time before things get copied. At least they didn't use the same rotor lamination, so they couldn't get the same results from my magnet design.

One thing to notice is that my motor pulled twice the amps in the stall test. Way into saturation, not healthy for it, but it has a terminal resistance that is half of the surpass and produced more torque.

Typical startup of the Magnum is around 250 with the new CNC can due to higher accuracy, but it can be as high as 1000 when the magnets are a hair off the symmetry.

magnum indeed pulled twice the amps but the stall torque is not twice, so the efficiency is lower and the high amps will easy to burn.

[mikemcE]

Originally Posted by tommyclerk

I am just a consumer and the company sells motors.

And John Holmes is a Porn star.
Many different names used by you, non of which are close to believable, Tommy.
Your last reply says Nope..... Not a “Consumer” as you claim.


Hang up and Drive

[themountain]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

And John Holmes is a Porn star.
Many different names used by you, non of which are close to believable, Tommy.
Your last reply says Nope..... Not a “Consumer” as you claim.

And that has what impact on the review ?? Do you even watch his YT channel ??

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by tommyclerk

I am just a consumer and the company sells motors.

OK just checking.

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

Thats a split 2 pole, not a 4 pole. Needing more balance epoxy isn't a good thing, either.

Just a matter of time before things get copied. At least they didn't use the same rotor lamination, so they couldn't get the same results from my magnet design.

One thing to notice is that my motor pulled twice the amps in the stall test. Way into saturation, not healthy for it, but it has a terminal resistance that is half of the surpass and produced more torque.

Typical startup of the Magnum is around 250 with the new CNC can due to higher accuracy, but it can be as high as 1000 when the magnets are a hair off the symmetry.

Is the Magnum your absolute smoothest/slowest starting motor?

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by tommyclerk

magnum indeed pulled twice the amps but the stall torque is not twice, so the efficiency is lower and the high amps will easy to burn.

You pushed it into saturation so far it literally burned the brushes, it is a non linear zone. You cannot make an assumption on efficiency with a single voltage stall test. Efficiency for all motors in stall is zero. Test all the motors at 1v, 2v, 3v, etc for a better idea of what is going on. My motor has a much lower terminal resistance and will produce the same torque at a lower input voltage. And it will also burn up (or break your drivetrain) at a lower voltage

Throwing 12v on a locked motor and watching it burn up does not give much useful information and it is extremely disingenuous to make any efficiency or performance claims based on that.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

OK just checking.




Is the Magnum your absolute smoothest/slowest starting motor?

Magnum, puller 400, custom pro. Custom pro is smooothest unloaded. After some load they all drive about the same.

[themountain]

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

Throwing 12v on a locked motor and watching it burn up does not give much useful information and it is extremely disingenuous to make any efficiency or performance claims based on that.

Exactly where I twitch a bit watching the video....why the hell you want to do that ??

[JohnRobHolmes]

A few more things.

The surpass can is not CNC machined. Its stamped. Surface flux density is not a full indication of performance, just surface flux. There are so many poor statements and conclusions.

[Bob_in az]

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes

A few more things.

The surpass can is not CNC machined. Its stamped. Surface flux density is not a full indication of performance, just surface flux. There are so many poor statements and conclusions.

John, please, please, please do a review of these surpass motors on your channel! It would be gold! I don't have a problem with more competition in the market, but I have a huge problem with copying, theft of intellectual property & false claims. You're products are proven. These Chinese products, not so much. I really would like your take on these motors after you examine them.

[TheLetterJ]

Tommy: Is there a reason you didn't show testing for the 13t in your comparison? Just curious about its speed/rpm since there seems to be a huge jump from 16t to 11t, but not much of a difference from 20t to 16t.

Are these even available yet? All I've seen is the 16t listed on Banggood and no other turns anywhere else either?

[AK KRAWLER]

Originally Posted by Bob_in az

John, please, please, please do a review of these surpass motors on your channel! It would be gold! I don't have a problem with more competition in the market, but I have a huge problem with copying, theft of intellectual property & false claims. You're products are proven. These Chinese products, not so much. I really would like your take on these motors after you examine them.

Agreed on all points!!!

[themountain]

Originally Posted by AK KRAWLER

Agreed on all points!!!

+2....yes please!