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heyok 01-06-2013 03:42 PM

Another servo winch building tutorial
 
This is a tutorial showing how to turn a servo into a winch.


Start with a servo:

https://i.imgur.com/BpeA9yv.jpg


Remove the access plate by unscrewing the four screws.

https://i.imgur.com/ojmq9H0.jpg

NOTE: Sometimes when you remove the bottom of the servo case, the entire area is taken up by circuit board. These ones are harder to modify.
There is a picture at the end of this post to give you an idea of what to do in this case.

Remove the two wires going to the motor. Heat the connection on the motor terminals with your soldering iron. Once the solder has melted, the wire should lift off.

https://i.imgur.com/PzLuHti.jpg



Now remove the screw that is holding the potentiometer in place. The potentiometer ("pot" for short) is the round (sometimes it is square) device with three wires going to it. The screw has been removed in this photo. It was in the hole at the 5 o'clock position of the pot. Sometimes it is held by plastic clips.

https://i.imgur.com/aHI7PNh.jpg

This photo is over exposed to show the plastic clips inside that are holding the green coloured pot. Just pry them away a little and you can get the pot and circuit board to come out.
If your pot is really stuck in there, read on a little to find out about how you can press it out from the other side.

Flip the servo over again so that the output shaft is on the top.

https://i.imgur.com/UbHrmYw.jpg

Lift off the upper lid to expose the gears.

https://i.imgur.com/ZKDnxDm.jpg


What we need to do is get access to the output gear so that the pin that limits rotation can be removed. Just lift off the middle gear.
If it is stuck on, a little careful prying with a small screw driver should help it off. If you weren't able to remove the pot in the last step, this will expose the shaft of the pot. Now you can press down on it to make it pop out the bottom.

https://i.imgur.com/6CodCKk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1aXuNn9.jpg

The pin needs to be removed from the output gear. I like to use some sturdy side cutters or pliars to grip the pin while I hold the gear in my other hand. The pin is pressed in but you can work it loose with some twisting and pulling and grunting.

https://i.imgur.com/EcCjspq.jpg


Pin is out!

https://i.imgur.com/n5K2OM5.jpg

Put the gears back in place.

https://i.imgur.com/CdaTx1a.jpg

Place the top cover back on top of the gears.


Flip the servo over again. This photo shows the winch controller ready to be installed.

https://i.imgur.com/Y6xgRXJ.jpg


Before soldering in the winch controller, it is a good idea to make sure the motor terminals aren't bent over too close to the motor case as they might short together.


Solder the winch controller output wires to the motor.
Pretend that they are really soldered onto the motor tabs in this picture. I don't have easy access to a soldering iron as I am writing this procedure.

https://i.imgur.com/EMQ3Wni.jpg

The winch controller slides into the servo case.


Screw the servo case back together.

https://i.imgur.com/Qt7QYTR.jpg


Ready for testing!

I like to put some sealer around the opening for the servo wire to keep some of the water out of the servo.

Attach your winch drum and some line and a hook and go pull something!


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Note: This is what you sometimes find inside the servo case. Mostly on higher end servos:

https://i.imgur.com/5mg9Fkg.png

Once you desolder the motor connections, you can often pry up the circuit board to expose its innards.

multi-bash 01-15-2013 11:23 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Great write up! Where/how does one make the winch controller?

heyok 01-15-2013 12:11 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by multi-bash (Post 4126164)
Great write up! Where/how does one make the winch controller?

Thank you!

The winch controller is an item that I make. Click the link in my sig to see those things.
It is possible to use the servo's own circuit board to operate the winch, but this often results in grief. The winch line tends to creep in or out and can cause the winch to break itself (by winding too tightly) or get the winch line caught up in your wheels because you don't notice it in time.

I'm sure others will chime in with the downfalls of running the servo circuit and offer other solutions too if you ask, but I make several controllers depending on the sort of performance you are after.

TrailAddict 02-08-2013 10:33 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Hey Al,

I notice that you didn't replace the pot back into the servo, does this affect the performance? Because the final gear seems to be pivoting on the pot. Also could you possibly make a 2 position HV version? Because I bought the RTR honcho that comes with the flysky GT-2 transmitter. I would like to upgrade to the GT3-B (The RX are compatible) and run your winch controller on the third channel wich is to my knowledge a 2 position switch(on the GT3-B). I plan, if you could make a 2 position HV version to run your controller in a Crawford performance engineering servo @7.2v from my CC BEC (not direct, from the receiver power).

Thanks

BTW: I just noticed your from BC, I'm from Quebec :D

heyok 02-08-2013 10:42 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TrailAddict (Post 4169000)
Hey Al,

I notice that you didn't replace the pot back into the servo, does this affect the performance? Because the final gear seems to be pivoting on the pot. Also could you possibly make a 2 position HV version? Because I bought the RTR honcho that comes with the flysky GT-2 transmitter. I would like to upgrade to the GT3-B (The RX are compatible) and run your winch controller on the third channel wich is to my knowledge a 2 position switch(on the GT3-B). I plan, if you could make a 2 position HV version to run your controller in a Crawford performance engineering servo @7.2v from my CC BEC (not direct, from the receiver power).

Thanks

There are actually a pair of bearings on the output gear. One bearing below the gear that sits on the servo case and one above the gear that sits in the case lid. The pot shaft is coupled to the gear by a somewhat soft connection made from a plastic insert (usually) in the bottom of the output gear. I can see what you mean though, it does look like the pot shaft is helping with the support of the gear. Maybe it works that way on some servos?

If you get yourself the GT3B, do yourself a favor and get the firmware update. It becomes an amazing transmitter once you install it.

To answer your question, yes, I can make a two position version of all my winch controllers. Just send me a PM and I will give you a quote on that as we aren't supposed to talk pricing in this part of the forum.

Thanks,
Al

TrailAddict 02-08-2013 11:27 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Thanks sending PM

Oldskoolcj 02-25-2013 10:02 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Awesome write up. That thing just drops right in and works like a charm!

Thanks again,

danmac 02-27-2013 08:21 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
good thread i got your winch controller and F$&King love it not on a servo winch but on the rc4wd bulldog and even that tired old winch will pull my rig off the ground it could never do that before i used your product good job

Highmark 02-27-2013 09:01 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Your winch controllers are awesome - nice write up as well. "thumbsup"

Just a tip, some servos have the motor soldered directly to the board in three places. It's very beneficial to have some sort of de-soldering device (wick, suction, ect.) to remove solder as you obviously can't heat all three contacts at the same time. "thumbsup"

heyok 02-27-2013 09:54 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Highmark (Post 4203675)
Your winch controllers are awesome - nice write up as well. "thumbsup"

Just a tip, some servos have the motor soldered directly to the board in three places. It's very beneficial to have some sort of de-soldering device (wick, suction, ect.) to remove solder as you obviously can't heat all three contacts at the same time. "thumbsup"

That's a good tip.

Here is a picture of the sort of circuit board that is soldered directly to the servo motor:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...e/DSC_2170.jpg

There should also be an arrow saying "Desolder here" in another spot where I had desodered a pad already. It is just above and to the right of the second large IC.

slitcher 02-28-2013 07:27 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Nice work ! Don't mean to offend but is there a reason why you are not using continuous rotation servo ? You'd save yourself some time wouldn't you ?

heyok 02-28-2013 07:31 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slitcher (Post 4206441)
Nice work ! Don't mean to offend but is there a reason why you are not using continuous rotation servo ? You'd save yourself some time wouldn't you ?

No problem!
A continuous rotation servo would be great. You can use whatever one you like. I'm using the highest torque, lowest price, yet reliable servo I could find. Maybe you have found something better. Happy to give it a try.

slitcher 03-01-2013 04:57 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
I honestly haven't looked into torque ratings for a winch servo and I don't have any experience in using a winch for an RC so I'm not awared of the necessity for any specific torque as a winch servo.

But hey ! whatever floats your boat !

CodyCrawler 05-03-2013 06:05 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Fantastic product. I love how it fits right inside the servo. Great work.

I am going to use the stock board and run an on/off switch to stop the winch
line from"drifting".

So all i need to do is remove the stop pin and put everything BUT THE POT back the
same way correct ?

heyok 05-03-2013 10:38 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by multi-bash (Post 4126164)
Great write up! Where/how does one make the winch controller?

Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyCrawler (Post 4306905)
Fantastic product. I love how it fits right inside the servo. Great work.

I am going to use the stock board and run an on/off switch to stop the winch
line from"drifting".

So all i need to do is remove the stop pin and put everything BUT THE POT back the
same way correct ?

If you are keeping the stock controller, it will need to see a voltage divider, so you can either use the pot or replace it with two equal resistors. 1K to 5K should be fine. Remove the mechanical link to the pot though! The servo rotating should NOT rotate the pot.

TTTGOWYO 05-04-2013 07:53 PM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Great write up. I am adding this to mod down the road. Thanks.

CodyCrawler 05-05-2013 08:39 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heyok (Post 4307376)
If you are keeping the stock controller, it will need to see a voltage divider, so you can either use the pot or replace it with two equal resistors. 1K to 5K should be fine. Remove the mechanical link to the pot though! The servo rotating should NOT rotate the pot.


So when you say "remove the mechanical link to the pot",

do you mean there is a removable piece on the pot or

grind the little nub off that is poking up in this pic?

I will be using the same servo as well.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...d3344d93-2.jpg

JokersWild 05-05-2013 09:37 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CodyCrawler (Post 4308941)
So when you say "remove the mechanical link to the pot",

do you mean there is a removable piece on the pot or

grind the little nub off that is poking up in this pic?

I will be using the same servo as well.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/l...d3344d93-2.jpg

Take the pot completely out. There is a screw on inside of case that holds it in and push it out from the side you pictured. Pot is not needed when using his controller

Then fill hole with silicon to keep water out "thumbsup"

CalebTheRCguy 06-22-2016 09:26 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Where can I get a winch drum?

heyok 06-22-2016 09:46 AM

Re: Another servo winch building tutorial
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CalebTheRCguy (Post 5523023)
Where can I get a winch drum?

I can get you either a machined aluminum spool or the bobbin type. Send me a PM and I will help you.


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