need input on brushed motors for mud

[going2fast]

I will start off by saying I know nothing is perfect for mud....but im always gojng to run in mud , underwater , under muddy water , and hard as hell.
if I cant do all this I have no need to have a crawler lol.

now that being said I need help with the best option.
titan 21t don't last at all
integy 35t did ok but broke down a lot and I want to run a 27 ish turn{so 27}
don't want brushless non scensored is to poor for slow crawl


running castle v3 waterproof esc but prob going back to homles hobby waterproof {unless anyone has a better idea} because I want to run 2s and 3s

any thought on holmes hobby motors ,27t .. they have several at all budget and I like there esc so I thought eh y not
also axial 27t
or any others I have not found yet or thought of .

will motor cleaners like dynamite or any others help or any outside the box products like wd40 ect

side not what are the best bearings to use for going in water a lot for the chassis {scx10 g6 dove tail jeep}
and best grease for diffs and housings like marine grease ect

and any other tips tricks{trans hop up/drive line parts that are best/gearing /ect} to keep her in the mud and low tear down time

im here to learn so thanks for the help guys

[hotwheels000]

If you can find a foam sleeve to go ove the motor that will go a long ways to keep debris out. Its not so much the water as it is the mud that is the issue. A nylon from the better halfs drawer will also work. Watch your temps as they may become clogged or restrict air(prolly not a prob in cool water)

Most all motors have a way for junk to get in, one that will not be covered by the above is the extra holes in the pinion end to clock the moter. Maybe a fitted gasket would help.

[k7zpj]

The Holmes Hobby TrailMaster Sport is a good choice for running in water/mud. It has bushings so you won't have problems with bearings not liking mud and water. Plus it only costs 12 bucks so if you ruin it, you are not out a lot of money.
Holmes Hobbies LLC

[Johnnysplits]

I got these for my motors off ebay. They have an elastic band on one end, and a drawstring on the other.

[going2fast]

thanks for the info so far guys ... I think im going to go trailmaster {12 bucks cant beet it..hell I get two} and carry motor cleaner with me when I go mudding

now whats the best motor cleaner .. and what to best water/mud suit my axils and bearings and what not

[Calderwood]

The grit is going to ruin the comm on any brushed motor. A sealed waterproof sensored brushless would last forever in the mud and require no more maintenance than a drop of oil on the bearings once in a while.

[going2fast]

if I go that rout .. what system to you recommend that's not stupid high cost? motor and esc .. and will it crawl slow aswell?

[Calderwood]

A mamba max pro (maybe used?) is the best bet for a cost effective sensored esc. I think the best deal on a sensored brushless motor is the Hobbywing (not to be confused with cheapo hobbyking) 3656sd. It's a 1500w 3400kv 4 pole with a bigger rotor than the pro4 and is less than $90 shipped. It's a beautifully constructed motor. For comparison a redline is <800w and a pro4 is ~1000w. Geared 60/11 it will go 15mph and crawl great.

I use mg chemicals 419b conformal coating to waterproof everything I own. I don't even cringe when I submerge my stuff.

[TrailAddict]

One thing for sure, definately stay away from the fancier Holmes Hobbies motors for going in water or mud. Their brushes are super soft, which gives a better power transfer from the brushes to the com but also makes them wear out almost immediately when used in water or mud.

[going2fast]

^big thanks on that heads up ... I was leaning close to them...

anyone els have input before I go further

[Jeff@TireBalls]

Originally Posted by Johnnysplits

I got these for my motors off ebay. They have an elastic band on one end, and a drawstring on the other.

Is this the right one?


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[MarlboroMan7]

Cut the toes off ur girls panty hose and put it around the motor to keep dirt out but still allow it to breath and water in and out. I love the mud myself and it tears my rig up. Keep it waterproofed with marine grease in gearbox and trans case, waterproof HH BRXL, $12 HH disposable motor cant beat havin a few for backup. Check out some mudding videos on my youtube channel.

[Wade]

Originally Posted by MarlboroMan7

Cut the toes off ur girls panty hose and put it around the motor to keep dirt out but still allow it to breath and water in and out. I love the mud myself and it tears my rig up. Keep it waterproofed with marine grease in gearbox and trans case, waterproof HH BRXL, $12 HH disposable motor cant beat havin a few for backup. Check out some mudding videos on my youtube channel.

Make sure your girlfriend is not wearing them at the time