09-14-2018, 07:43 AM | #721 | |
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So if you want, you can run a small 2s direct for the servo, Johns an airplane guy, so his thoughts and reasons are different than ours. I have 2 PMs and run both off a bec without issues. Hang up and Drive | |
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09-14-2018, 02:23 PM | #722 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Humboldt county
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Thanks for the heads up Mikemce and Jim85IROC! I'll try to test it off of a tiny 2S pack, though I really dont know If i can stand to pack another battery just for this servo. If these truly need to run off of the battery it would be nice if there were more than the small note at the bottom of the product page. And just so its clear this servo is very strong unloaded but when it sees any significant load I'm guessing its only putting out sub 200 torque, it just goes limp basically giving up on the tougher stuff that any of my other strong servos dont bat an eyelash at. I really want to like this servo but it needs to perform if I'm gonna keep it. Last edited by HumboldtEF; 09-14-2018 at 02:27 PM. |
09-14-2018, 02:29 PM | #723 |
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That doesn’t seem correct to me. What voltage are you set at ? Hang up and Drive |
09-14-2018, 03:19 PM | #724 |
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I'm pretty sure I maxed it out at 8.4 V but I'll double check once I get to testing. The odd thing is that my Brothers 470 acts the same, though I did buy both at the same time so maybe a bad batch, well enough speculating I need to just get to testing. I hope its a fluke and I see nothing but 5 star reviews on the PM site. |
09-15-2018, 10:42 AM | #725 | |
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09-15-2018, 06:25 PM | #726 |
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09-17-2018, 05:22 PM | #727 |
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So after testing the Promodeler 470 without a BEC I had the exact same issue and I've shot a quick video of what it does (running the servo on straight 2S). Though I'm still waiting on John to get back to me, I told him I wouldn't post up the video if he'd prefer (its unlisted).
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09-19-2018, 05:14 AM | #728 |
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Is anyone running DS3218MG’s straight of 2s or 7.2v NiMh? 6.8v is max mentioned on Aliexpress. I also want to get rid of the external bec. Its a 1060 esc and gets stupidly hot with the servo on it , thats why Ive got the silly bec now. I would like to not have it though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
09-19-2018, 10:02 AM | #729 |
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I have run them at both 6.0 and 7.4 without issue. I also run LED's off the HW1080 built in bec through the receiver, and at the higher volts it burned out the controller. So for my rigs with lighting and/or a led controller, I set them at 6.0v. No more lighting problems. The servo works fine at either setting, however the higher volts is a bit higher than they're rated. I just haven't had any issues with them running them there. Obviously it runs a little faster at the higher volts, but I can't tell the difference in stall torque - surely it's higher there as well. My experience is that the gears or shaft bearings wear or get loose, and it gets sloppy, way before they burn out. But then I only run the higher volts for comps, without lights, for peak performance, but no recent comps so not a lot of high-volt time to see if it burns them out. Frankly, I think you'll be just fine at the higher voltage. YMMV |
09-19-2018, 10:29 AM | #730 |
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I don’t run the rig very often. And mostly off NiMh when I do. I’ll connect it straight onto the pack sometime. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
09-20-2018, 05:09 PM | #731 |
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Gonna try a newer release from DS Servo - the mfg of the super-cheap DS3218... ~ The DS3225MG ~ This one is a 2018 release, 25KG instead of 20KG, and ever so slightly faster. Claimed to be waterproof again, and comes with the familiar aluminum servo horn. Only $26.99 with free Amazon Prime 2-day shipping, and if you tick the little box you get another $2 off. Throwing it in my soon-to-arrive Team Associated Nomad DB8 1/8th scale buggy running the 2.8" Proline Badlands SC pre-mount wheel/tire combo... Cuz I heard they destroy RTR servos quite often on the first battery pack!!! If it works well there, another will be ordered for my toolbox for the possible eventuality of my DS3218 failing in my lil' tired Ascender K10... (although it's still ticking, no probs!) Detailed specs: Specification: DS3225MG RC hobby servos are designed for remotely operating model vehicles,such as cars,airplanes,and robots.It provides the functionality of a light weight standard-sized servo, high-speed big torque, water-resistant,sensitive,responsive; It features an all-metal gear train,digital control electronics,and two ball bearings on the output shaft for reduced friction, and it offers easy access to the rest-point adjustment potentiometer,making them great actuators for robotic projects.This new item is a very good choice for students and hobbyists. It will not let you down! Electrical Specification Operating voltage range: 4.8 - 6.8V Operating speed ( 5.0V ): 0.15 sec/60 degree Operating speed ( 6.8V ): 0.13 sec/60 degree Stall torque ( 5.0V ): 21kg/cm Stall torque ( 6.8V ): 25kg/cm Control Specification: Control System: PWM(Pulse width modification) Pulse width range: 500~2500 μsec Neutral position: 1500μsec Running degree: 180° (when 500~2500 μsec) Dead band width: 3 μsec Operating frequency: 50-330Hz Rotating direction: Counterclockwise (when 500~2500 μsec) Mechanical Specification: Gear ratio: 275 Bearing: Double bearing Connector wire: 17.7inches(450mm) Motor: 3-pole(s) Waterproof performance: IP66 Package: 1 x DS3225MG Digital Servo 1 x 25T Adjustable metal servo arm https://www.amazon.com/ANNIMOS-Digit...+Digital+Servo I will keep the forum posted... (BTW - 25KG = 347.18466391865oz-in, for general info) Last edited by durok; 09-20-2018 at 05:12 PM. |
09-20-2018, 05:58 PM | #732 |
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And the beauty of it is easy returns through amazon! I'm waiting for a report on this one....
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09-20-2018, 09:45 PM | #733 |
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Good find, interested to see how the DS3225MG works out.
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09-21-2018, 04:48 AM | #734 | |
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09-21-2018, 05:33 AM | #735 | |
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Morning crawler friend in the state. They have few model there. Sorry , but if you could understand Chinese. The 30Kg servo one, selling in Chinese yuan 122.00 and available in 180 degree and 270degree turn. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk | |
09-21-2018, 08:50 AM | #736 |
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25kg/cm = 347oz/in In all of the comparo testing - I forget where I saw that, maybe it's up-thread - anything above 200oz/in drew so many amps it would brown-out a built in bec. There are all kinds of options for stronger servos if you're willing to adapt power to it. IMO that moves them away from the 'cheap servo' category. YMMV. |
09-21-2018, 08:18 PM | #737 | |
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For example, the Hobbywing 1080 ESC has 6V/7.4V @ 3A (switch mode) available, and a Mamba X or Mamba Monster X has up to 8A up for grabs. That, and the fact that there is a variance in various brands and models of servos amp draw means that there is a chance that this DS3225MG may still be a great budget servo option for certain applications. It's commonly mentioned that Savox servos are more power-hungry than many other servos of the same torque rating (just to provide an example) and they are a brand that often is mentioned when brown-outs occur. Doesn't make Savox worse servos for all applications, just that the end user may be more likely to need an external BEC to take care of the issue. As for the DS3225MG, it's unknown at this point just how "hungry" it may be! I ran a 3S pack through the Nomad buggy (still on its stock servo and wheel/tire setup) in the business park parking lot just now, pavement was a little damp - I was just doing figure eights and then some serious drifting and a few J-turns... Stock servo still holding, but when the seriously toothy Proline Badlands go on it later this weekend and I hit some off-road action - I imagine I'll toast it and install the DS - not certain what the built-in BEC of the Reedy SC1000-BL ESC puts out, can't find the info anywhere (annoying!). At that point, if it seems to cause a brown-out I will post up here. It won't mean much because of the unknown output of the RTR Reedy ESC, of course! I have a new Castle WP BEC 2.0 I can then wire in, if necessary... So - until then! | |
09-21-2018, 09:06 PM | #738 |
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I’m so glad that a hefty portion of people understand brown outs and bypass bec wiring now. As a purveyor of electronics, it’s been A looooong time coming.
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09-21-2018, 09:44 PM | #739 | |
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I learned real quick about those by getting involved with electric helis back in the late 90s. Brown out on a steering servo in a car. . no biggie. Brown out on a heli spinning blades of death at 2k rpm, you're lucky if it's just the heli that's destroyed and no one gets hurt. They just started introducing 2S lipo backup systems now in case the BEC or main pack has a problem. At least you can try to auto-rotate it in for a landing. | |
09-22-2018, 07:04 AM | #740 | |
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There is this guy that builds motors and servo thingies. He’s always teaching us Kool electronics things. Funny thing is he’s confused with a big porn star.......... Hang up and Drive | |
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