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TheManOfMiracles 06-07-2019 01:42 AM
Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Just saw this over at bigsquid
https://www.bigsquidrc.com/wp-conten...less-Combo.jpg

PERFORMA P1 RADICAL WATERPROOF BRUSHLESS COMBO FOR CRAWLERS
New from Performa Racing is the Radical Limited Red Rock Edition Crawler Combo. This brushless combo set comes with a waterproof ESC and motor to give you an upgrade in power when off-roading.

* Comes with special “Limited Red Rock Edition” Radical crawling motor
* Includes new Radical Crawler speed controller
* New sensor technology with Crawler Special staggered pole rotor
* Ultra-smooth throttle control without cogging
* 2100kV motor

brimdogg 06-07-2019 01:48 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheManOfMiracles (Post 5940988)
Just saw this over at bigsquid

https://www.bigsquidrc.com/wp-conten...less-Combo.jpg



PERFORMA P1 RADICAL WATERPROOF BRUSHLESS COMBO FOR CRAWLERS

New from Performa Racing is the Radical Limited Red Rock Edition Crawler Combo. This brushless combo set comes with a waterproof ESC and motor to give you an upgrade in power when off-roading.



* Comes with special “Limited Red Rock Edition” Radical crawling motor

* Includes new Radical Crawler speed controller

* New sensor technology with Crawler Special staggered pole rotor

* Ultra-smooth throttle control without cogging

* 2100kV motor
Interesting, wonder what Hobbywing ESC that really is?

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elirgraves13 06-09-2019 04:12 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Does anyone in the states carry their products?

Voodoobrew 06-09-2019 07:13 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
I worry about that staggered pole rotor. The axe has one of those and it was smaller and weaker then a standard motor. Are there other staggered pole motors with plenty of torque on ?

robert@castle 06-10-2019 09:30 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodoobrew (Post 5941682)
I worry about that staggered pole rotor. The axe has one of those and it was smaller and weaker then a standard motor. Are there other staggered pole motors with plenty of torque on ?

As far as I understand it, a stagger pole rotor is used to lower the cogging torque of a motor and lower the minimum RPM, but it will always lower peak torque because less of the magnet is engaged at any give time.

JatoTheRipper 06-10-2019 11:08 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brimdogg (Post 5940989)
Interesting, wonder what Hobbywing ESC that really is?

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It's probably just something that looks like a HobbyWing.

Has anybody heard of Performa electronics before this? I have not.

brimdogg 06-10-2019 08:41 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper (Post 5941844)
It's probably just something that looks like a HobbyWing.



Has anybody heard of Performa electronics before this? I have not.
After looking at the website, that's what leads me to believe it's just a rebranded Hobbywing.

https://performaracing.com/elektromo...mbo.html?sl=en

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JatoTheRipper 06-11-2019 06:32 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brimdogg (Post 5942032)
After looking at the website, that's what leads me to believe it's just a rebranded Hobbywing.

https://performaracing.com/elektromo...mbo.html?sl=en

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Looks are often deceiving. Just because it looks like a HobbyWing ESC doesn't mean it is. I mean there are HobbyWing clones out there that look very similar to HobbyWing products. Some of them even take HobbyWing firmware, but they are not authentic products. They are clones. This ESC could be a clone just as easily as it could be an authentic HobbyWing product.

Here's the ESC by itself.

, ,(PA9360) by Per

http://www.rcmart.com/images/perform...g-pa9360-2.jpg
http://www.rcmart.com/images/perform...g-pa9360-1.jpg

JC3 06-11-2019 08:40 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
2100kv. They weren't kidding about it being a crawler motor!

Crawler Cads 06-11-2019 09:12 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
It's $200!
Never heard of them......:lmao:

JatoTheRipper 06-11-2019 09:13 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crawler Cads (Post 5942162)
It's $200!
Never heard of them......:lmao:
Exactly. You'd have to be either ignorant or a big gambler to buy this system before all the other options out there.

brimdogg 06-11-2019 09:14 AM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crawler Cads (Post 5942162)
It's $200!

Never heard of them......:lmao:
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Stray 06-11-2019 04:24 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
I purchased the ESC!

when it arrives, ill report back

its very cheap. 120AUD delivered. there are no Mamba X under $350 in AUS, and tekins are $400+

JohnRobHolmes 06-11-2019 06:43 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robert@castle (Post 5941806)
As far as I understand it, a stagger pole rotor is used to lower the cogging torque of a motor and lower the minimum RPM, but it will always lower peak torque because less of the magnet is engaged at any give time.

Yep, spot on. It's not a silver bullet though. I've made staggered poles for bEMF reasons and it increased startup RPM and smoothness in a bad way. Lowering the cogging torque/ detent force of a motor is a complicated task.

JohnRobHolmes 06-11-2019 06:45 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Looks like it could be great, could be so so. I imagine market peak is coming soon, RCcrawling has been a fad for at least 15 years now :lol:

GTSLOW 06-11-2019 09:36 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stray (Post 5942343)
I purchased the ESC!

when it arrives, ill report back

its very cheap. 120AUD delivered. there are no Mamba X under $350 in AUS, and tekins are $400+
I dunno sir. That comes out to $85 USD for me. You can get a Mamba Micro or a used Mamba Max Pro for under that.

Stray 06-11-2019 09:41 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Yeah, you lot are super lucky. A trx4 sport costs 600 here

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Stray 07-24-2019 06:35 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
I love this esc. I have it running a tekin ROC412 2800kv motor and it works really well. I might consider adding a fan in summer, as it gets warm now (not hot, but its only 15deg C here at the moment)

Stray 07-24-2019 06:36 PM
Re: Performa p1 radical waterproof brushless combo for crawlers
 
Also, my 1080WP esc program card, programs this ESC. You need to use the manual to make sure you have the correct prompts, as they obviously do not line up with the brushed hobbywing.


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