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Old 06-27-2019, 01:55 PM   #1
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I picked up an Enduro today from Meadow Ridge Trains and Hobbies in Taos Missouri. So far, the box looks cool


It comes with a 16t five slot motor. Now there is a lot of people just finding out that 5 slot motors are a thing. Only been handwinding them for 8 years now But who are we kidding, crawling is just a fad, right? I'll be releasing $15 and $20 5 slot motors later this year to fill out the price points in the CrawlMaster lineup.


First impressions, this rig is going to be in the top 3 RTR rigs if there isn't some unforseen problem. As to drivetrain, I've heard John Schultz has been brushless beating on one for over 6 months now.
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Old 06-27-2019, 02:00 PM   #2
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Good to hear leading lights rating the rig. Loving mine so far. Yes the motor is a revelation to me, but, I've only been crawling here in the UK for a couple of years.

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like like and more like. Keep the motors coming.
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I'm fairly new to RC. What is special about a "5 slot motor" and why should I care?
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I look forward to seeing your video review!
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oh this is gonna be good...

rkj to answer your question: basically its a much smoother motor with more "pick-up points" for spinning the magnets. think of an axle with 2 flaps, and bushes that would charge +/- to "turn" the axle. the more flaps, the easier and smoother it would be, right? most motors have 4. the new AE radon has 5, as well as the ones John here has been building (excellently, i might add!).
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Basically smoother start up, slightly less torque. But it's holmes hobbies less torque so still more torque

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oh this is gonna be good...

rkj to answer your question: basically its a much smoother motor with more "pick-up points" for spinning the magnets. think of an axle with 2 flaps, and bushes that would charge +/- to "turn" the axle. the more flaps, the easier and smoother it would be, right? most motors have 4. the new AE radon has 5, as well as the ones John here has been building (excellently, i might add!).
https://www.associatedelectrics.com/...crawler_motors

Thanks for the explanation.
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Old 06-27-2019, 03:25 PM   #9
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JRH, Pull a few markers and make a few calls.... We need a Section for this Enduro!
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JRH, Pull a few markers and make a few calls.... We need a Section for this Enduro!
Yeah, I think this truck is a winner. It will need it's own section.
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I'm fairly new to RC. What is special about a "5 slot motor" and why should I care?

5 slot (done right) is smoother starting and more controllable in situations where it really counts. 3 slot (most every other hobby motor) is rougher starting but has higher torque density. Thus, why my brushed motor lines are Crawlmaster (5 slot) and TorqueMaster (3 slot). TrailMaster is also 3 slot, but low cost version more tuned for looooong service life to match people driving these huge 5000mah 3s packs.
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Tomorrow I'm shooting vids. Had 5 other vids on deck, now they all get a back seat for this rig.
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Looking forward to it and seeing what you do to this rig!! keep up the great work John!!
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I'll be releasing $15 and $20 5 slot motors later this year to fill out the price points in the CrawlMaster lineup.
Amazing news! 555 or 545?
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JRH, Pull a few markers and make a few calls.... We need a Section for this Enduro!
Agree!

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Yeah, I think this truck is a winner. It will need it's own section.
I think so too! Agree!


Looking forward to seeing the videos and reviews John.

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5 slot (done right) is smoother starting and more controllable in situations where it really counts. 3 slot (most every other hobby motor) is rougher starting but has higher torque density. Thus, why my brushed motor lines are Crawlmaster (5 slot) and TorqueMaster (3 slot). TrailMaster is also 3 slot, but low cost version more tuned for looooong service life to match people driving these huge 5000mah 3s packs.

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Amazing news! 555 or 545?
yes, both models. they will likely be slower than the handwound options, as machine wound motors just don't do well in lower turns.
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JRH - Let's see some dyno graphs with a 3 slot vs 5 slot.
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SUBSCRIBED! I never would have guessed that this truck would be that good.
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