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CODYBOY 07-13-2019 02:57 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949896)
Well Iím a big bore fanboy, proudly, as you say they work, and donít leak.

My take on these is a step up from dravtech/ big bore because of the threaded preload, vs o rings etc.
these are pricy if you build them up from parts the kit shocks are $70.00 plus a pair! Dravtechs are $37.00 pr

These were the real reason along with gears for doing the kit.

Thanks for the review!


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"thumbsup"
The Dravtechs are expensive, but IMO you get what you pay for. "thumbsup"

Quote:

Originally Posted by HumboldtEF (Post 5949908)
I assembled the shocks too, they feel really nice and smooth (30 wt oil). I heard people saying these leak so I took measurements on the O-rings and spacers before I completed the last one in case that does happen. This way I can look into making up a thicker spacer or O-ring if they do leak.
https://i.imgur.com/GcCR4nxl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/C7woJoCl.jpg

The preload adjusters have a groove for O-rings to keep them from moving which is a nice touch.
https://i.imgur.com/ZOWZtvkl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/JaTgsQkl.jpg

I did notice that the hole on the main shock body for the shock shaft is larger than I'm used to seeing. I was thinking it should be tighter to keep the shaft true and stable, but after assembling them they are nice and stable. This is probably due to the thicker than usual spacer between the O-rings, which puts the O-ring farther apart. Since the shaft rides on these O-rings the farther these are apart the better (more stable/less deflection).

I also went a bit overboard (might have imbibed too much of the koolaid at the time) and got their bronze shock bodies and black top and bottom caps. Then I realized with just a few more parts I could have 2 sets, ordered more parts :lmao:

Anyway I really like the look of the bronze shocks :mrgreen:
https://i.imgur.com/jqw9EAYl.jpg

I also installed some of the softer springs, the white and green which feel good, nice and soft.

EDIT: also worth noting the spring perches fitment on the rod end is very very tight, you really need to press them on quite hard to get them fully seated. Removing them takes a lot of force or tools which is unfortunate (might be easier to unscrew the rod end) but at least these wont be falling off and getting lost.
@CODYBOY some of yours spring perches look fully seated and some look like they might not be, as I mentioned it takes a fair bit of force.


Also worth noting, the chassis with the hard parts is very stiff and rigid "thumbsup"


Casey, if I ever had a business I'd want you for my Quality control!!!! Good job young man! I notice the one shock in my pics last night. "thumbsup"

Just a little caveat when building your shocks. When your bleeding them make sure you lube the o-ring at the top of the shock body, it is really easy to have it pinch out when tightening the shock cap. When I get the cap turned down to the o-ring I twist the cap a little both ways to be sure the ring is captured into the cap. It would be really easy to tear the rubber and ruin it. "thumbsup"


On to the axles, I had these Yeah Racing chubs in my stock and so I thought I would try them. Went on and tightened up very nice on the stock (hard) axle. They are just a little tighter than the SSD chubs and I don't they will come loose.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...1-IMG_1569.jpg


I also clearance the unis for a few more degrees of steering.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...2-IMG_1571.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...3-IMG_1572.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...4-IMG_1573.jpg

And the rear is done too.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...5-IMG_1574.jpg

All for now guys, maybe more later today. ;-)"thumbsup"

Ernie

durok 07-13-2019 05:20 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949896)
Well Iím a big bore fanboy, proudly, as you say they work, and donít leak.

My take on these is a step up from dravtech/ big bore because of the threaded preload, vs o rings etc.
these are pricy if you build them up from parts the kit shocks are $70.00 plus a pair! Dravtechs are $37.00 pr

These were the real reason along with gears for doing the kit.

Thanks for the review!


Hang up and Drive

Quote:

Originally Posted by CODYBOY (Post 5949912)
"thumbsup"
The Dravtechs are expensive, but IMO you get what you pay for. "thumbsup"




Just to clarify, mikemcE was stating that the kit Element Sendero shocks are the pricier of the two - they are $33.99 just for the below parts:

qty 2 Shock Cap, black/blue aluminum
qty 2 Shock Spring Cup, black/blue aluminum
qty 2 Shock Bottom Cap, black/blue aluminum
qty 2 Shock Collar, black/blue aluminum

and another $18.70 for qty 2 aluminum shock bodies.

Then, you still need to add the shafts, o-rings, etc.

The Dravtechs are a relative bargain, but (as mikemcE stated) you don't get threaded shock bodies.

Still, I'll bet they are very nice - and getting the kit definitely softens the blow to your wallet by including them!

mikemcE 07-13-2019 06:33 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Durok for the score!!

Thats exactly it. Pistons, shafts, seals are almost the same between them. The Enduro bodys have the edge with threaded preload. If these shocks are as Associated shocks are, I wont go back!


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HumboldtEF 07-13-2019 06:59 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
I just started on the transmission after spend a bit of time thinking about whether to mount it reversed or not. I decide flipping the motor position really didnt move things front to back much and having the motors weight on the left would be best for lessening torque twist or at least not working against it.

I found the bearing going into the piece on the right was very tight and it needs to be pressed in. I dont have a press but I was able to used a wood clamp to work it down until it seated, keep in mind it still sticks up a bit when fully seated.
https://i.imgur.com/UiQJiVMl.jpg

I pray that bearing never needs replacing

CODYBOY 07-13-2019 07:10 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HumboldtEF (Post 5949951)
I just started on the transmission after spend a bit of time thinking about whether to mount it reversed or not. I decide flipping the motor position really didnt move things front to back much and having the motors weight on the left would be best for lessening torque twist or at least not working against it.

I found the bearing going into the piece on the right was very tight and it needs to be pressed in. I dont have a press but I was able to used a wood clamp to work it down until it seated, keep in mind it still sticks up a bit when fully seated.
https://i.imgur.com/UiQJiVMl.jpg

I pray that bearing never needs replacing


I found the same thing with mine Casey. I used my drill press to seat it. Finally figured out that it will not sit all the way into the drive. (Looks just like yours, but it still worked fine. "thumbsup"
Ernie

Shinchu 07-13-2019 07:23 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Oh man... I'm SO EXCITED you guys are starting on your kits!!!

ENDUROS ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!

HumboldtEF 07-13-2019 07:47 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
One other note on the metal gears for the tranny, these are really big hunks of metal! They also weigh in accordingly. I'm wondering if using the plastic gears that came with the tranny Kit (I ordered separately) is worth the weight savings, I'm not going brushless. For now I'll run the metal gears though.

The tranny all assembled (without the motor or spur gear cover) weighs in at a 1/2 lb

BACK TO ASSEMBLY!!!!!!

EDIT: they do not provide a pinion, I was assuming they would. Thats fine though I have plenty to choose from but probably not an 18T

The position of the spur gear makes lining up the pinion difficult without the right pinion even if you're installing it backwards like they show in the manual. Though this will vary from motor to motor as some shafts are longer. Even then (for me at least) its tight positioning the set screw out of the way of the spur which leaves it right at the end of the motor shaft barely holding on. I'd say the ideal pinion for these would have the teeth cut all the way though it without a step in it or one with a set screw that's out of the way.
https://i.imgur.com/RQr4CMfl.jpg

oh and BLACK GOLD! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_-YlUoy14

https://i.imgur.com/zmYRGLxl.jpg

mikemcE 07-13-2019 08:32 PM

What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
A 32p swap might be a game changer. Associated makes a drop in 32p 54t drop in already.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_54t_32p/


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MaX-D 07-13-2019 09:35 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinchu (Post 5949957)

ENDUROS ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!


That's awesome!!




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MaX-D 07-13-2019 09:40 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949971)
A 32p swap might be a game changer. Associated makes a drop in 32p 54t drop in already.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_54t_32p/


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I prefer 32p. What size pinion?


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CODYBOY 07-13-2019 09:52 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinchu (Post 5949957)
Oh man... I'm SO EXCITED you guys are starting on your kits!!!

ENDUROS ASSEMBLE!!!!!!!


Why would that be??? Me Too! "thumbsup"


Quote:

Originally Posted by HumboldtEF (Post 5949963)
One other note on the metal gears for the tranny, these are really big hunks of metal! They also weigh in accordingly. I'm wondering if using the plastic gears that came with the tranny Kit (I ordered separately) is worth the weight savings, I'm not going brushless. For now I'll run the metal gears though.

The tranny all assembled (without the motor or spur gear cover) weighs in at a 1/2 lb

BACK TO ASSEMBLY!!!!!!

EDIT: they do not provide a pinion, I was assuming they would. Thats fine though I have plenty to choose from but probably not an 18T

The position of the spur gear makes lining up the pinion difficult without the right pinion even if you're installing it backwards like they show in the manual. Though this will vary from motor to motor as some shafts are longer. Even then (for me at least) its tight positioning the set screw out of the way of the spur which leaves it right at the end of the motor shaft barely holding on. I'd say the ideal pinion for these would have the teeth cut all the way though it without a step in it or one with a set screw that's out of the way.
https://i.imgur.com/RQr4CMfl.jpg

oh and BLACK GOLD! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k_-YlUoy14

https://i.imgur.com/zmYRGLxl.jpg


They look really sharp Casey nice choice! You aren't kidding about the weight of the metal gears, and I bet they will make a little noise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949971)
A 32p swap might be a game changer. Associated makes a drop in 32p 54t drop in already.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_54t_32p/


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Could be a good option, but I'll give the 48p a try first.



Ok, almost a roller!

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...1-IMG_1576.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...2-IMG_1577.jpg

Went together so smooth, everything moves nicely with no hint of binding or link bumping!!

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...3-IMG_1578.jpg

The bottom,

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...4-IMG_1580.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...5-IMG_1581.jpg

I'm not good at conveying my thoughts sometimes so I'm letting the pics do most of the talking!;-)

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...6-IMG_1582.jpg


I think I can make this fit with a little trimming, I may need to build my own sliders.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...7-IMG_1583.jpg

And a Wertys made bumper, fits nicely and should have a good approach.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...8-IMG_1584.jpg

All for tonight, I may have the rest of the kit parts on it tomorrow. You all have a great weekend! "thumbsup"
Ernie

mikemcE 07-13-2019 09:53 PM

What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Iíd have to do the math on 87/18 so 54/11 is a bit taller......

Oh my Ernie !!!!!


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soze 07-13-2019 10:38 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Lookin good Ernie!

carpetfuzz17 07-14-2019 12:26 AM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949971)
A 32p swap might be a game changer. Associated makes a drop in 32p 54t drop in already.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_54t_32p/


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Found this in my bin of AE spurs. I don't know where I even picked it up at. Wondering if it's to big to fit in. Makes me want to go out and pick up a kit now
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4069ce2493.jpg


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soze 07-14-2019 12:32 AM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
32p..... hmmmmm.... who's going to try!

HumboldtEF 07-14-2019 10:40 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
I put my roller (with a battery) on the scale and its sitting a 5 lbs even, not bad with that heavy tranny.

https://i.imgur.com/510SxVDl.jpg

5lb 10 oz with an Ascender K10 body
https://i.imgur.com/tAvnXcql.jpg

I ended up installing my servo out of order, I didn't pay enough attention and mounted it from above and I had the drag link on top of the knuckle instead of the bottom. This made for tons of bump steer, about 5-10 degrees when I compressed one side at a time. I was worried for a second that it was just a bad design causing it, Luckily it was as easy as fixing my stupid mistake.

It was a bit eye opening how moving these drag link mount points had such a huge effect. To me the link looked like it was just right, nice and parallel but it really wasn't.

dezfan 07-14-2019 11:06 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CODYBOY (Post 5949912)
"thumbsup"
The Dravtechs are expensive, but IMO you get what you pay for. "thumbsup"




Casey, if I ever had a business I'd want you for my Quality control!!!! Good job young man! I notice the one shock in my pics last night. "thumbsup"

Just a little caveat when building your shocks. When your bleeding them make sure you lube the o-ring at the top of the shock body, it is really easy to have it pinch out when tightening the shock cap. When I get the cap turned down to the o-ring I twist the cap a little both ways to be sure the ring is captured into the cap. It would be really easy to tear the rubber and ruin it. "thumbsup"


On to the axles, I had these Yeah Racing chubs in my stock and so I thought I would try them. Went on and tightened up very nice on the stock (hard) axle. They are just a little tighter than the SSD chubs and I don't they will come loose.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...1-IMG_1569.jpg


I also clearance the unis for a few more degrees of steering.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...2-IMG_1571.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...3-IMG_1572.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...4-IMG_1573.jpg

And the rear is done too.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...5-IMG_1574.jpg

All for now guys, maybe more later today. ;-)"thumbsup"

Ernie

Are those YR chubs made for the SCX10.2?

The color of those Chubs reminds me of the OG RC10 and very fitting.

Just received my kit, waiting on my hard plastic parts and these chubs like like a nice addition.

svt923 07-15-2019 09:04 AM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikemcE (Post 5949971)
A 32p swap might be a game changer. Associated makes a drop in 32p 54t drop in already.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_54t_32p/

Part # 7957 is the 56T version for another option.

https://www.associatedelectrics.com/..._gear_56t_32p/

CODYBOY 07-15-2019 07:15 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
A little update on fitting the body and Cage build. ;-)

Did a little trimming to get it down a little lower.

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...1-IMG_1585.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...2-IMG_1586.jpg

Now the fun begins, fabbing is on of my favorite things to do when building!

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...3-IMG_1587.jpg

I'm going to build a latter type role bar. I'll take you through a few of the steps, letting the pics do the talking, "thumbsup"

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...4-IMG_1588.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...5-IMG_1589.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...6-IMG_1590.jpg

Bobbed the bed and did a little trimming inside.
https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...8-IMG_1595.jpg

Started on the tail gate and the side upper bed rails. The bed is going to rest on them. Also added some forward tabs to screw the bed to. ;-)
https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...9-IMG_1597.jpg

https://i1264.photobucket.com/albums...1-IMG_1599.jpg

A little peak at the inside of the bed, going to run a ascender fuel cell in there.



All for now, thanks any help or advice you want to offer.

punkindrublik 07-15-2019 07:17 PM

Re: What I'm doing to my ENDURO!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soze (Post 5950027)
32p..... hmmmmm.... who's going to try!

Well, I either need to buy a 48p pinion, or a 32p spur. Think I'll go the spur route... "thumbsup"


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