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soze 07-05-2019 10:29 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Little late in posting this up. Had some coffee and I finally understand the title of this thread LOL! I had originally thought it was intended for free mods & related free mod upgrades only. Now I get that it's free mods AND upgrades.

Anyway, this one is sort of free-ish because it comes with the truck, but here is a link to the single post in my thread on how to do the 11.83% overdrive gears.

Enduro 11.83% overdrive gear instructions.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...e8395255_b.jpg

TrailDawg362 07-05-2019 12:14 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinchu (Post 5947965)
Nice. That one is called the hogger, right? Is it fairlead compatable?
Since this rig has a spot for a servo winch I'm having a hard time finding bumpers with a fairlead WITHOUT a winch mounting deck.

Looks great though!

Yes, it's predrilled for a fairlead and winch. Mine is tucked in so you don't see the winch deck.

Shinchu 07-05-2019 02:34 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Nice! Thanks for answering.
Gonna run the stock bumpers as long as I can but looking for options in the meantime.

Browneye 07-05-2019 05:29 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Confirming SSD heavy wheel brass slw hub/hex bolt right in with no mods. Will post pics later. Works just outstanding.
Wheels are easy to assemble and reassemble, single stage foams, looks like early proline stuff.

Out to CDM today and it crawled all the technical spots - it's really great.

Topher Builds 07-05-2019 05:45 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948104)
Confirming SSD heavy wheel brass slw hub/hex bolt right in with no mods. Will post pics later. Works just outstanding.
Wheels are easy to assemble and reassemble, single stage foams, looks like early proline stuff.

Out to CDM today and it crawled all the technical spots - it's really great.

Were you able to get your scale hubs back on? I didnít have enough thread left.

soze 07-05-2019 05:46 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948104)
Confirming SSD heavy wheel brass slw hub/hex bolt right in with no mods. Will post pics later. Works just outstanding.
Wheels are easy to assemble and reassemble, single stage foams, looks like early proline stuff.

Out to CDM today and it crawled all the technical spots - it's really great.

Man, I wish I could've headed out today. Had to work though.

Browneye 07-05-2019 07:06 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Topher Builds (Post 5948109)
Were you able to get your scale hubs back on? I didn’t have enough thread left.

The caps? Not much axle thread left but did stay on.

Picked up a HW1080 at my LHS. :mrgreen:

Quote:

Originally Posted by soze (Post 5948110)
Man, I wish I could've headed out today. Had to work though.

Place was empty at 8:30 this morning. Left just before noon and the beach-goers were pouring in.

A 40' sport fisher was washed up on the beach - owner aboard. I don't know if he lost power or missed the harbor inlet, but was a long ways up from the surf, tide was out. Oh dear.

I'm anxious to hear if the higher front overdrive is worthwhile. The rig crawls really well.

Ultimate Hobbies took pics of it along with my trx4 with FJ40 and put them on their Instagram page. They have one more Enduro in stock. I almost bought a 'mog kit. ;-)

Browneye 07-06-2019 01:44 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Okay guys, newsflash on the Element enduro speed control. Ran into @mikesrch on instagram at CDM rocks today - he was part of the development team with Associated's new brand Element. He's been running one of the prototypes for a number of months. I'll post some pics Monday. Anyway, we were talking about features and settings and I mentioned the jack-rabbit reverse and he said you need to reverse your throttle channel and motor leads and that will smooth it out. Sure enough!! Now I don't need a speed controller - it works the way it's supposed to.

When you install the 12% overdrive then it gets reversed again, so all you need to do is switch your motor leads when you change the gears and you're golden.

As built the radio comes with reverse setting on the throttle - that is wrong.

He also mentioned if you're going to run it hard get the hard-plastics servo tray and trackbar frame link, center skid, shock towers if you feel like it. That's really all it needs to keep it going.

Mike says he has over 500 hours running on his. He's got it setup as a class-1 with Wrangler MTR's.

Another interesting tidbit was that there are another half-dozen rigs coming out from them, that there are just four guys that run the whole company, and the whole Element project was designed and created after hours at night. They kept their world-market business going during the day. Great stuff.

Oh, and the transmission is going to be available as seperate unit for sale for $50 or so to retrofit other rigs if you want overdrive. He swears by the 12% overdrive setup for crawling.

Another tech tidbit was the new HW 880 esc - it's a double motor version, but you can run it on one of the channels, it's programmable like the 1080, but will also run on 4S power. :shock:
The Element speed controller is a HobbyWing.

I also found out there's no slipper clutch in this rig.

Browneye 07-06-2019 01:53 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Oh yeah...kits shipping next week. And everything is sold out already. :shock:

soze 07-06-2019 02:25 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Nice updates Chris! I knew it was probably reversed throttle. Just didn't know if it would work on the rtr esc, but I had to reverse it on my 1080.

Shinchu 07-07-2019 12:29 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
SIX MORE ELEMENT RIGS?!?!!

My wallet would have been safer with one vs410 pro lol
These guys are KILLING THE GAME!
I know because I took mine out for its first trail crawl today.
HOO WEE this thing is rad!

Thanks for the inside info Chris!

CODYBOY 07-07-2019 11:19 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Thanks for the update Chris, and good news on the kits, I'm chomping at the bit to catch up with you guys!"thumbsup"
Ernie

B-MOW71 07-07-2019 11:40 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
2 Attachment(s)
Nice update Chris."thumbsup" I will have to check out my reverse on mine and possibly switch it.

Wow, more rigs! That's awesome!

Nothing major, but I swapped out the stock plastic servo horn for an aluminum horn. Also added the steel balls to the rod ends. The steel balls feel really nice and move nice and free.

Attachment 382178

Attachment 382179

HumboldtEF 07-07-2019 01:24 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948241)

Oh, and the transmission is going to be available as seperate unit for sale for $50 or so to retrofit other rigs if you want overdrive. He swears by the 12% overdrive setup for crawling.


Its available on the Associated site now https://www.associatedelectrics.com/...h_r_x_gearbox/


They also have complete axle sets with all the parts required for $76.50 which is a really good price it seems. https://www.associatedelectrics.com/...duro_axle_kit/

Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948241)

I also found out there's no slipper clutch in this rig.

I was looking at the tranny and though they might have made it so it could go either way, but I never did see slipper pads so I suppose it must be locked. I thought they had done something like Redcat did with the Gen 8 where you can install the pads for a slipper or leave them out to lock it.

indybama 07-07-2019 05:01 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HumboldtEF (Post 5948421)
Its available on the Associated site now https://www.associatedelectrics.com/...h_r_x_gearbox/


They also have complete axle sets with all the parts required for $76.50 which is a really good price it seems. https://www.associatedelectrics.com/...duro_axle_kit/



I was looking at the tranny and though they might have made it so it could go either way, but I never did see slipper pads so I suppose it must be locked. I thought they had done something like Redcat did with the Gen 8 where you can install the pads for a slipper or leave them out to lock it.

Thats not a bad price on those axles at all. The cheapest ive found for a set of ar44s is $120+. Just for the ar44 axles set (makes 1 axle) is $67. May have to get a set of these for another build

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txbart 07-07-2019 05:07 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by indybama (Post 5948468)
Thats not a bad price on those axles at all. The cheapest ive found for a set of ar44s is $120+. Just for the ar44 axles set (makes 1 axle) is $67. May have to get a set of these for another build

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Looks like you need another ring & pinion, a few more bearings, & diff cover/ link mount. The AR44s needed the same plus another housing.

indybama 07-07-2019 05:10 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by txbart (Post 5948472)
Looks like you need another ring & pinion, a few more bearings, & diff cover/ link mount. The AR44s needed the same plus another housing.

Youre right, i didnt notice that. I was thinkin 2 complete axles were layin there. So really. These are bout $5-6 more, but seem to b well worth it

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HumboldtEF 07-07-2019 05:36 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Thats odd? I wonder if theres a reason for not providing 2 of each, perhaps there will be other gearing options to add more overdrive/underdrive in the future. Since its not a high pinion setup it might be a possibility.

TrailDawg362 07-07-2019 05:49 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HumboldtEF (Post 5948481)
Thats odd? I wonder if theres a reason for not providing 2 of each, perhaps there will be other gearing options to add more overdrive/underdrive in the future. Since its not a high pinion setup it might be a possibility.

I hope you're right about more OD options.

txbart 07-07-2019 06:16 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by indybama (Post 5948473)
Youre right, i didnt notice that. I was thinkin 2 complete axles were layin there. So really. These are bout $5-6 more, but seem to b well worth it

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To complete a front & rear set, It’s about $120 to build a pair of Enduro axles if buying the Enduro Axle Kit and extra necessary pieces. It’s $136 for a pair of Ar44 locker axle kit packages, & just about the same if you buy 1 package & the missing necessary pieces.
I think they created the axle packages that way to stay under a certain price point, betting that the consumer would end up buying the extra pieces anyway after seeing how close to another axle they are with the remaining pieces.

Browneye 07-08-2019 10:10 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Earlier I mentioned the boat washed up on the beach...
Twin inboards, props, shafts and rudders buried in the sand.
It was gone the next day, so evidently they were able to float it back out on high tide.

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2065.jpg

Browneye 07-08-2019 10:15 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Here's Mike's custom Element Enduro, setup as class-1:

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2072.jpg

Mike is part of the development and testing team for the new Element Enduro. He's mostly active on intagram as Mike's RC Headquarters: mikesrch
Pretty much every time I've been down to CDM rocks he's there...

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2070.jpg

Browneye 07-08-2019 10:21 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
On the SSD heavy hex hubs, here's the stock plastic, the standard SSD that comes with their wheels, and their heavy rotor hub:

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/001_8.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/002_6.jpg

They bolt up without mods, however they're a little thicker than the stock hub so less thread is showing on the axle once it's mounted on the truck. There was just enough thread to grab the center cap, but some have reported the could not get them to stay on. An option would be to lock-tite a non-nylock nut to reveal more axle thread.

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/004_5.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/005_4.jpg

I ordered another set of weights, will run them for awhile, but I can see a set of alloy bead-locks in my future... ;-)

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/017_2.jpg

soze 07-08-2019 10:27 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Why does your truck still look unscathed? LOL

Topher Builds 07-08-2019 10:39 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Nice! I didn’t mess with the hubs too much but I think some lock tite definitely could have helped.

Truck looks great! And unscathed. I like the stripe work.

Browneye 07-08-2019 10:50 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Maybe just three hours running or so...have only turtled a few times. ;-)


https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/007_5.jpg

This is a vertical hop - Enduro made it just fine. "thumbsup"

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/008_3.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2067.jpg

CODYBOY 07-08-2019 11:01 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by soze (Post 5948637)
Why does your truck still look unscathed? LOL


Haven't you seen Chris drive, it is with the precision of a surgeon!!! Right Chris? :ror:
Ernie

soze 07-08-2019 11:18 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CODYBOY (Post 5948647)
Haven't you seen Chris drive, it is with the precision of a surgeon!!! Right Chris? :ror:
Ernie

I'll have to head out with him and make sure he's fully testing the capabilities of the truck! :lmao:

Browneye 07-08-2019 12:06 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CODYBOY (Post 5948647)
Haven't you seen Chris drive, it is with the precision of a surgeon!!! Right Chris? :ror:
Ernie


Sure. A drunk surgeon. LOL I drive like an 8yo. :lmao:


There's some rash on top, you just can't see it, and nearly took the driver's mirror off, but them things are amazingly flexible. I've started folding them in on the rocks. I need a set for my Land Cruiser. :mrgreen:

Browneye 07-08-2019 12:15 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Having converted a few Vaterra Ascender truggy bodies to flatbed I had some leftover roll-bar extrusion. It fit right in the bed with some trimming, screws in from the underside. Added bonus is that it really strengthens that flimsy body/box joint on the truck.
Did some custom paint work as well...

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2079.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2078.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/016_4.jpg

CODYBOY 07-08-2019 08:15 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948658)
Having converted a few Vaterra Ascender truggy bodies to flatbed I had some leftover roll-bar extrusion. It fit right in the bed with some trimming, screws in from the underside. Added bonus is that it really strengthens that flimsy body/box joint on the truck.
Did some custom paint work as well...

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2079.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...s/IMG_2078.jpg

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/016_4.jpg


Nice find Chris, I was kind of wondering if that would work? This is turning into a great thread for everyone! "thumbsup"
Hope to get my truck kit soon!!!!

Ernie

Browneye 07-09-2019 08:24 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Yup, post your best stuff. "thumbsup"

RABIDFOX 07-10-2019 09:01 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
I like what you did on painting the fender flares and rocker panels. I want to do the same and was thinking of using PlastiDip spray for durability. I currently have INJORA 1.9 beadlock wheels with 18mm SLW hubs on my Enduro. The wider stance is great for added stability.
Iím looking for appropriate suspension limiting straps for my rig. Anyone is them!

Browneye 07-10-2019 10:12 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RABIDFOX (Post 5949164)
I like what you did on painting the fender flares and rocker panels. I want to do the same and was thinking of using PlastiDip spray for durability. I currently have INJORA 1.9 beadlock wheels with 18mm SLW hubs on my Enduro. The wider stance is great for added stability.
Iím looking for appropriate suspension limiting straps for my rig. Anyone is them!


I used Tamiya Polycarbonate paint, roughed the surfaces with Dawn and a scotchbrite, and masked with fine-line tape. The problem with plastidip is that it's very soft and will scratch off easily. IMO a second choice to the traditional lexan paint would be Krylon Fusion. Just know that it's not nearly as durable as the Tamiya paint either.

The fender lips got an overcoat of Tamiya flat-clear. If you look close the box and hood are high gloss, the fenders not so much.

In any case, externally painted surfaces are going to get scratched up if you run your rig in the rocks. It's just the way it goes. 8)

Shinchu 07-10-2019 12:13 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
nice touch on the fenders getting flat clear. gives it a good change in "texture" making them look like plastic add-on fenders.

i'm going to give spray-on bedliner a shot on mine, see how it holds up when that super thin lexan flexes...? i'll probably do the entire underside of the body with it. at best, it helps keep it from wiggling around everywhere, at worst, it cracks and flakes off. hopefully i can get to it this weekend. hardest part will be masking off the outside of the body and inside windows.

HumboldtEF 07-10-2019 01:15 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Shinchu (Post 5949217)
i'm going to give spray-on bedliner a shot on mine, see how it holds up when that super thin lexan flexes...? i'll probably do the entire underside of the body with it. at best, it helps keep it from wiggling around everywhere, at worst, it cracks and flakes off. hopefully i can get to it this weekend. hardest part will be masking off the outside of the body and inside windows.

You'll likely have better results if you give it a base coat of lexan specific paint first. This should really help the next coat adhere and hopefully prevent chipping.

As for doing the underside, I'd guess thats likely to add a fair chunk of weight and you might only be able to admire it when you roll over on your lid, lol. Consider getting the inner fenders and painting them with bedliner if you want that look and to be able to see it.

If you're just looking for some body reinforcement theres also the sheetrock mesh/tape and E6000 or gorilla tape methods.

Sorry I'm not trying to tell you what to do Chris, I just didn't want to see you go to all that work and resign to "It might just chip off"

Lashlee 07-11-2019 10:57 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
I really like the black bed/flares that you did Browneye. I just picked up mine yesterday so I haven't had much time to plan on upgrades but I see some paint in my future!

rattmobbins 07-11-2019 04:52 PM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Browneye (Post 5948658)
Having converted a few Vaterra Ascender truggy bodies to flatbed I had some leftover roll-bar extrusion. It fit right in the bed with some trimming, screws in from the underside. Added bonus is that it really strengthens that flimsy body/box joint on the truck.
Did some custom paint work as well...

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b...Cars/016_4.jpg

Just bought an Ascender cage for mine. LOVE the way this looks! I think I'll keep the spare tire carrier back there too though for some added scale realism. "thumbsup"

Browneye 07-12-2019 09:59 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
Thanks Nate, guys! I'm enjoying the platform - I really do think it's all it's cracked up to be. "thumbsup"


I already lost a bead on the plastic wheel - and not from one I had disassembled. Seems this may well become a problem as well. If you look close at the rear wheel in the last pic above you can see a bulge where the bead has popped out. No problem re-seating it, but would not be convenient in the field.

I'm thinking a set of these are in my near future:


https://cdn3.volusion.com/7z62e.xvk6...jpg?1548254634

Or these:

https://cdn3.volusion.com/7z62e.xvk6...jpg?1548254634

Shinchu 07-12-2019 11:56 AM

Re: New Associated Enduro Crawler - Free-Mods & Upgrades
 
nice sticking with the bronze.
i was watching a review of the endure on youtube last night and one of the weaknesses mentioned was the beadlocks/tires that are NOT vented. this could be contributing to your de-beading issue.
i will likely address this as well, most likely will drill a hole in the wheel to let the tire conform to surfaces better, even if i risk turning my foams into crumbly moldy mess if i run through water (not often but im not shy of it).
also worth a shot is what soze mentioned, maybe run a metal internal beadlock ring? rough up the edge so it bites the tire better?

but either of those wheels are REALLY nice! great taste sir!


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