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kortt · 07-18-2009, 03:05 PM

I was reading the poll between the Axial AX10 and the Venom Creeper that was posted late last year and a lot of comments were made about giving the aftermarket a chance to catch up with the Venom Creeper.

I planning on buying a kit within the next month (newb) and was wondering if the upgrades have caught up with the Creeper yet?

I had my mind made up on the AX10 ATR kit, but now after researching the Creeper and reading some reviews I'm not sure which way to go.

Anyone had a chance to run both kits for comparison for any length of time?

801FuNk801 · 07-18-2009, 03:29 PM

I think they are both very capable rigs but if it's the after market support your looking fir the AX-10 can't be beat.

kortt · 07-18-2009, 04:59 PM

Well, I was looking for opinions from people on the kits in comparison as they stand for things like durability, quality, pros or cons as far as both kits technology, such as suspension etc, right out of the box.

The Creepers been out long enough I think for people to have formed opinions on it. A strong aftermarket presence would be a plus for the Creeper if it exists and I must admit I haven't looked into that aspect for the Creeper yet.

I know both Axial and Venom have good customer support so that's not really an issue.

Mudsy · 07-18-2009, 05:22 PM

Ax-10 all the way!!! I have three!!! plus tons of aftermarket goodies....

warDialer · 07-18-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudsy

Ax-10 all the way!!! I have three!!! plus tons of aftermarket goodies....

I just bought a creeper, and while it is every bit as good as the AX-10 out of the box, there is no denying the aftermarket for the AX-10 is a lot more exciting.

If you're cool with not having easy access to a multitude of parts, or just working a bit harder to tune er up, the Creeper is an incredibly nice kit. That said I feel a bit left out from the aftermarket fun being a Creeper owner.

kortt · 07-18-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by warDialer

I just bought a creeper, and while it is every bit as good as the AX-10 out of the box, there is no denying the aftermarket for the AX-10 is a lot more exciting.

If you're cool with not having easy access to a multitude of parts, or just working a bit harder to tune er up, the Creeper is an incredibly nice kit. That said I feel a bit left out from the aftermarket fun being a Creeper owner.

Took some time and looked around a bit and seems you are right...not a lot out there, at least in proportion to the Axial stuff.

meffie · 07-18-2009, 06:58 PM

Although I have neither. I'm a forum troll, looking at EVERYTHING, and I must say, based on general rules of thumbs, it would seem the ax-10 is the best bet over the creeper.

junior ax10 · 07-20-2009, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kortt

I was reading the poll between the Axial AX10 and the Venom Creeper that was posted late last year and a lot of comments were made about giving the aftermarket a chance to catch up with the Venom Creeper.

I planning on buying a kit within the next month (newb) and was wondering if the upgrades have caught up with the Creeper yet?

I had my mind made up on the AX10 ATR kit, but now after researching the Creeper and reading some reviews I'm not sure which way to go.

Anyone had a chance to run both kits for comparison for any length of time?

I have seen and controlled both i personally own the ax10 almost moded to extreme of not being the highest dollar stuff there is so much upgrades that you can buy that really are not exspensive and make it a great crawler right out of the box.

My buddy has the creeper and he mostly just makes his parts or finds ways to make it better not much out to buy.

I have drove both and would say the ax10 is the one to go with.

Have fun crawling its the best investment i have made so far.

acrosteve · 07-31-2009, 04:37 AM

Looks like the AX-10 has way more parts available right now.

xDamianx · 07-31-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by acrosteve

Looks like the AX-10 has way more parts available right now.

true but the creeper is newer have u thought about a scx10? its newer but if u want a dig unit a creeper has it included but i say ax10 rtr its cheeper then u could upgrade it along the way

jamesdicken · 07-31-2009, 04:05 PM

ax-10! you can make it a true comp rig with the after market stuff

1\4elliptic toy · 08-02-2009, 10:14 AM

Venom just lowered their price on the creeper kit to help people out during the tough economy to 149.99. They are a very tough kit out of the box, there were 4 box stock (except tires) creepers in the top 20 in the WCC novice class this year. There is not the after market support for the creeper yet but the few parts that you should upgrade are out there (c-hubs knuckles, rear lockouts, drive shafts etc) I own both and a box stock venom is is much better than a box stock ax-10. If you want aftermarket then the ax-10 is for you, if you want a kit that you dont need to put alot of aftermaket into then go creeper.

666 · 08-02-2009, 10:25 AM

I have built both and still have one.

Venom is much cheaper to get started.

I built one and love it! I have run it pretty hard on 11.1 volts with a Sidewinder ESC and a 50 turn handwound and have not one complaint. No carnage. It is my girlfriends truck so she beats it pretty hard too.

When I built a AX-10 I ran it on 7.2 volts, Rooster Crawler ESC, first time out I broke a driveshaft (easy to replace with Pede shafts) Then I broke a knuckle, then a axle c, then a transmission output, shock tops, I could go on.... I ended up dumping a couple of hundred dollars in upgrades into it just to get it to hold up within a few weeks. Then I sold it.

The aftermarket is great with the AX10, some companies are coming out with parts for the Venom as well.

What are your plans? Competing or just crawling around?

clockworks · 08-02-2009, 10:49 AM

I can see 3 possible reasons why there aren't as many aftermarket parts for the Creeper:

It's still a fairly new kit and tooling for upgrade takes a while.
There aren't as many Creeper owners, so the market for upgrades is smaller.
It works from the box and doesn't break easily, so owners don't actually need many upgrades.

I bet it's a combination of the three.

Having read all the info I could find for the last year, I bought a Creeper. I'm happy with it.

dirttrackdemon93 · 08-02-2009, 11:19 AM

AX10 all the way, You can go into most hobby stores in the US and the have parts for them. Its almost like going into a parts house and asking for parts for a 350 chevy. They are just that popular!!

88_Pathy · 08-02-2009, 12:10 PM

Go with a Creeper. Build what parts you need and have fun with it. That is how the sport was started anyway.

cliffclimba:) · 08-02-2009, 02:06 PM

get the ax10, i got one and love it, al;so get the rtc, it owns out of the box

Tupers · 08-02-2009, 02:22 PM

I think the thing that really kills the Creeper is the need for a 4ch radio if you want dig and diff lock and that the vast majority of crawlers prefer pistol TXs over sticks. If a cheapish 4ch pistol TX with epa comes out Creepers will shoot up in popularity but until then in Axial all the way.

clockworks · 08-02-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Tupers

I think the thing that really kills the Creeper is the need for a 4ch radio if you want dig and diff lock and that the vast majority of crawlers prefer pistol TXs over sticks. If a cheapish 4ch pistol TX with epa comes out Creepers will shoot up in popularity but until then in Axial all the way.

Venom give you diff locks as standard and the option to run a dig, so the AX10 is better because it doesn't have something that the Creeper does?

If you want a Pistol Tx with more channels, you can build your own for $100.

Tupers · 08-02-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by clockworks

Venom give you diff locks as standard and the option to run a dig, so the AX10 is better because it doesn't have something that the Creeper does?

If you want a Pistol Tx with more channels, you can build your own for $100.

Unfortunately not everyone has the time or skill to make a custom pistol radio.

The key selling point of the Creeper is it's diffs but you can't turn as tight with open diffs as you can with dig. I think many people buying a truck for comps would like to have tightest turning circle possible making an AX10 with dig better than a Creeper with open diffs.

07-18-2009, 03:05 PM	#1
kortt Rock Stacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 82	Scorpion or Creeper? I was reading the poll between the Axial AX10 and the Venom Creeper that was posted late last year and a lot of comments were made about giving the aftermarket a chance to catch up with the Venom Creeper. I planning on buying a kit within the next month (newb) and was wondering if the upgrades have caught up with the Creeper yet? I had my mind made up on the AX10 ATR kit, but now after researching the Creeper and reading some reviews I'm not sure which way to go. Anyone had a chance to run both kits for comparison for any length of time?

08-02-2009, 10:14 AM	#12
1\4elliptic toy Quarry Creeper Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: St George Posts: 318	Venom just lowered their price on the creeper kit to help people out during the tough economy to 149.99. They are a very tough kit out of the box, there were 4 box stock (except tires) creepers in the top 20 in the WCC novice class this year. There is not the after market support for the creeper yet but the few parts that you should upgrade are out there (c-hubs knuckles, rear lockouts, drive shafts etc) I own both and a box stock venom is is much better than a box stock ax-10. If you want aftermarket then the ax-10 is for you, if you want a kit that you dont need to put alot of aftermaket into then go creeper.
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08-02-2009, 02:06 PM	#17
cliffclimba:) Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: marin Posts: 55	crawler get the ax10, i got one and love it, al;so get the rtc, it owns out of the box

07-18-2009, 03:29 PM	#2
801FuNk801 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ogden Posts: 146	I think they are both very capable rigs but if it's the after market support your looking fir the AX-10 can't be beat.

07-18-2009, 04:59 PM	#3
kortt Rock Stacker Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 82	Well, I was looking for opinions from people on the kits in comparison as they stand for things like durability, quality, pros or cons as far as both kits technology, such as suspension etc, right out of the box. The Creepers been out long enough I think for people to have formed opinions on it. A strong aftermarket presence would be a plus for the Creeper if it exists and I must admit I haven't looked into that aspect for the Creeper yet. I know both Axial and Venom have good customer support so that's not really an issue.

07-18-2009, 05:22 PM	#4
Mudsy Rock Crawler Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Viroqua Posts: 940	Ax-10 all the way!!! I have three!!! plus tons of aftermarket goodies....

07-18-2009, 06:58 PM	#7
meffie RCC Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Farmington, NM Posts: 1,026	Although I have neither. I'm a forum troll, looking at EVERYTHING, and I must say, based on general rules of thumbs, it would seem the ax-10 is the best bet over the creeper.

07-31-2009, 04:37 AM	#9
acrosteve Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jackson Posts: 141	Looks like the AX-10 has way more parts available right now.

07-31-2009, 04:05 PM	#11
jamesdicken Rock Crawler Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: GILBERT Posts: 751	ax-10! you can make it a true comp rig with the after market stuff

08-02-2009, 10:25 AM	#13
666 MODERHATER™ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 10,939	I have built both and still have one. Venom is much cheaper to get started. I built one and love it! I have run it pretty hard on 11.1 volts with a Sidewinder ESC and a 50 turn handwound and have not one complaint. No carnage. It is my girlfriends truck so she beats it pretty hard too. When I built a AX-10 I ran it on 7.2 volts, Rooster Crawler ESC, first time out I broke a driveshaft (easy to replace with Pede shafts) Then I broke a knuckle, then a axle c, then a transmission output, shock tops, I could go on.... I ended up dumping a couple of hundred dollars in upgrades into it just to get it to hold up within a few weeks. Then I sold it. The aftermarket is great with the AX10, some companies are coming out with parts for the Venom as well. What are your plans? Competing or just crawling around?

08-02-2009, 10:49 AM	#14
clockworks Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: UK Posts: 818	I can see 3 possible reasons why there aren't as many aftermarket parts for the Creeper: It's still a fairly new kit and tooling for upgrade takes a while. There aren't as many Creeper owners, so the market for upgrades is smaller. It works from the box and doesn't break easily, so owners don't actually need many upgrades. I bet it's a combination of the three. Having read all the info I could find for the last year, I bought a Creeper. I'm happy with it.

08-02-2009, 11:19 AM	#15
dirttrackdemon93 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Casper Posts: 400	AX10 all the way, You can go into most hobby stores in the US and the have parts for them. Its almost like going into a parts house and asking for parts for a 350 chevy. They are just that popular!!

08-02-2009, 12:10 PM	#16
88_Pathy Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cen Cal Posts: 148	Go with a Creeper. Build what parts you need and have fun with it. That is how the sport was started anyway.

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08-02-2009, 02:22 PM	#18
Tupers Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Great Britain Posts: 935	I think the thing that really kills the Creeper is the need for a 4ch radio if you want dig and diff lock and that the vast majority of crawlers prefer pistol TXs over sticks. If a cheapish 4ch pistol TX with epa comes out Creepers will shoot up in popularity but until then in Axial all the way.

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