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airranger · 01-02-2006, 08:08 PM

Hey i have one quick question for u gys, i havent got one yet but im going to be , but i keep reading you guys cut the speings, do that just make the springs softer in a way so it flexs more or more easly?or what?

let me know thanks

greenjeep · 01-02-2006, 08:21 PM

i donr have a nylint but..i know you can cut 4-5 coils out and get more flex

Collapse_The_Masses · 01-02-2006, 08:23 PM

Well, I cut mine because it was the crawler was rolling over before the shocks even became fully compressed so yes, it does help with the flex as well as keeping it from rolling

txjeeper · 01-02-2006, 08:37 PM

it lowers the ride height, but you end up with less uptravel. spring rate is also reduced, making it easier to fully compress the shocks.

airranger · 01-03-2006, 06:49 PM

how much is a good start to cut out? and i see some guys running no shocks?

JasonInAugusta · 01-03-2006, 06:54 PM

3-4 coils is a good amount to cut.

aint scared · 01-03-2006, 06:54 PM

i cut three out of my 1:18th and it works well.

SlammedMini469 · 01-03-2006, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txjeeper

spring rate is also reduced, making it easier to fully compress the shocks.

i have always read and heard that the shorter a spring is (if uncoiled and stretched out), the stiffer it is.....and the longer it is, the softer it is....

CHEVY_454 · 01-03-2006, 07:06 PM

i cut three and also works very well and if there still to stiff for you you can cut another.

JasonInAugusta · 01-03-2006, 07:08 PM

A 5lb-in spring is still a 5lb-in spring whether it's 4' long or 4" long.

The difference is in how much weight it takes to fully compress the spring.

Spring rate doesn't change.

SlammedMini469 · 01-03-2006, 07:19 PM

thanks for clearing that up JIA.

it makes since though when you think about what i said. if you were to take a 5 foot piece of metal, and a 2 foot peice of metal, you could bend the 5 foot piece much easier than you could the 2 foot piece. it was explained to me that it didn't matter what configuration the metal was in, the properties remained the same. i really have no clue, was just passing along what i had been told.

JasonInAugusta · 01-03-2006, 07:21 PM

What you said regarding bending metal relates more to physics and leverage.

It'll take ~20lbs to compress a 4" 5lb-in spring completely.

Only ~15lbs to compress the same spring that's been cut to 3".

SlammedMini469 · 01-03-2006, 07:29 PM

works for me!

CHEVY_454 · 01-03-2006, 07:30 PM

and it also matters how thick the spring is.

Rev. Parsley · 01-03-2006, 08:56 PM

I was experimenting with springs for the Nylint the other night and I found out that If you take a spring, any spring, cut or not and stretch it out a little it WILL be stiffer.

I ended up using some springs that have more "rounds" and are made of thicker metal than the Nylint springs but a similar length. These springs are MUCH softer than the Nylint springs and are working perfectly for me.

Mad Scientist · 01-04-2006, 12:24 AM

I cut two coils off each spring, and gained an inch of articulation. The chassis only droops about a quarter inch.

txjeeper · 01-04-2006, 12:42 AM

My point was that it is easier to fully compress the shocks. There's no arguing that.

Mad Scientist · 01-04-2006, 01:26 AM

Yes, the way mine are now, they do seem a bit "softer". In stock form, the springs are a bit preloaded when the shocks are assembled.

dang · 01-04-2006, 01:42 AM

I removed my springs completly and have been playing with it on nothing but rocks. I just need to get around to doing the wheel base extension and other things that I want to do to it and go from there. If I do like it after doing the mods then I'll throw them back on and then cut the springs down as I need to.

I've been able to climb a lot more stuff with the springs completly removed and flipped the tires. I bet cutting the tires will help more as well.

01-02-2006, 08:08 PM	#1
airranger Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 240	Spring question Hey i have one quick question for u gys, i havent got one yet but im going to be , but i keep reading you guys cut the speings, do that just make the springs softer in a way so it flexs more or more easly?or what? let me know thanks

01-02-2006, 08:21 PM	#2
greenjeep Pebble Pounder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: maple valley Posts: 137	i donr have a nylint but..i know you can cut 4-5 coils out and get more flex

01-02-2006, 08:23 PM	#3
Collapse_The_Masses Pebble Pounder Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Oregon Posts: 120	Well, I cut mine because it was the crawler was rolling over before the shocks even became fully compressed so yes, it does help with the flex as well as keeping it from rolling

01-02-2006, 08:37 PM	#4
txjeeper Rock Stacker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: dallas tx Posts: 68	it lowers the ride height, but you end up with less uptravel. spring rate is also reduced, making it easier to fully compress the shocks.

01-03-2006, 06:49 PM	#5
airranger Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada eh! Posts: 240	how much is a good start to cut out? and i see some guys running no shocks?

01-03-2006, 06:54 PM	#6
JasonInAugusta 06 Super National Champ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stark Industries Bar and Grill Posts: 11,361	3-4 coils is a good amount to cut.

01-03-2006, 06:54 PM	#7
aint scared Pebble Pounder Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: VICE PRESIDENT of clodtalk Posts: 133	i cut three out of my 1:18th and it works well.

01-03-2006, 07:06 PM	#9
CHEVY_454 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CENTER Posts: 107	i cut three and also works very well and if there still to stiff for you you can cut another.

01-03-2006, 07:08 PM	#10
JasonInAugusta 06 Super National Champ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stark Industries Bar and Grill Posts: 11,361	A 5lb-in spring is still a 5lb-in spring whether it's 4' long or 4" long. The difference is in how much weight it takes to fully compress the spring. Spring rate doesn't change.

01-03-2006, 07:19 PM	#11
SlammedMini469 Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hardin, KY Posts: 976	thanks for clearing that up JIA. it makes since though when you think about what i said. if you were to take a 5 foot piece of metal, and a 2 foot peice of metal, you could bend the 5 foot piece much easier than you could the 2 foot piece. it was explained to me that it didn't matter what configuration the metal was in, the properties remained the same. i really have no clue, was just passing along what i had been told.

01-03-2006, 07:21 PM	#12
JasonInAugusta 06 Super National Champ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stark Industries Bar and Grill Posts: 11,361	What you said regarding bending metal relates more to physics and leverage. It'll take ~20lbs to compress a 4" 5lb-in spring completely. Only ~15lbs to compress the same spring that's been cut to 3".

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01-03-2006, 07:29 PM	#13
SlammedMini469 Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Hardin, KY Posts: 976	works for me!

01-03-2006, 07:30 PM	#14
CHEVY_454 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: CENTER Posts: 107	and it also matters how thick the spring is.

01-03-2006, 08:56 PM	#15
Rev. Parsley Newbie Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Marin Co. Posts: 14	I was experimenting with springs for the Nylint the other night and I found out that If you take a spring, any spring, cut or not and stretch it out a little it WILL be stiffer. I ended up using some springs that have more "rounds" and are made of thicker metal than the Nylint springs but a similar length. These springs are MUCH softer than the Nylint springs and are working perfectly for me.

01-04-2006, 12:24 AM	#16
Mad Scientist RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Saginaw Posts: 1,721	I cut two coils off each spring, and gained an inch of articulation. The chassis only droops about a quarter inch.

01-04-2006, 12:42 AM	#17
txjeeper Rock Stacker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: dallas tx Posts: 68	My point was that it is easier to fully compress the shocks. There's no arguing that.

01-04-2006, 01:26 AM	#18
Mad Scientist RCC Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Saginaw Posts: 1,721	Yes, the way mine are now, they do seem a bit "softer". In stock form, the springs are a bit preloaded when the shocks are assembled.

01-04-2006, 01:42 AM	#19
dang Newbie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: USA Posts: 12	I removed my springs completly and have been playing with it on nothing but rocks. I just need to get around to doing the wheel base extension and other things that I want to do to it and go from there. If I do like it after doing the mods then I'll throw them back on and then cut the springs down as I need to. I've been able to climb a lot more stuff with the springs completly removed and flipped the tires. I bet cutting the tires will help more as well.

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