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11-21-2013, 04:17 PM | #41 | |||
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11-21-2013, 04:34 PM | #42 | |
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I would gladly volunteer to document what I can when I get my HH revolver S back. | |
11-21-2013, 04:39 PM | #43 |
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| brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
This has become a waste of time if it is going to be a bunch of reasons why not to.
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11-21-2013, 04:48 PM | #44 | |
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11-21-2013, 05:10 PM | #45 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
Im all for the comparison test and will donate my time on the brushed side with 2s power for a comparison..Most of us already know the outcome though and the benefits of both sides. This is what some of us are trying to explain with all this...the test has already been done by pros and back yard bashers alike and in the real world under comp rules and conditions...Its crystal clear already what works best for what scenario/situation ..When brushless motors/ESCs beat out the brushed motor in all areas then we have a clear winner for ruling all the land.
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11-21-2013, 05:10 PM | #46 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
Hey stevem, this thread is coming accross as a guy whose down with bl trying to be objective about proving his point. But i've read in this thread, from guys who know the same things i know. That a quality brushed esc/motor combo is topnotch when going slow. And a good (or even cheapo, like your 70$ setup) bl setup is the ticket when going fast. We good now stevem? Doubt it, i'm betting you'll double post multiple reasons why this post was misguided, & that the debate your pushing, must rage on.
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11-21-2013, 05:26 PM | #47 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
Here is the very simple test I propose... Take thre motors, one brushed, one brushless, one sensored brushless. They all must the same size (540 or3650), and roughly the same kV (not wind). They all must be tested in the same vehicle with the same gearing and the same voltage. There will be three tests. Stall test. The vehicles wheels will be locked down so that they cannot spin. Throttle will be applied very slowly until it has been determined whether or not the motor is applying torque or sitting there chattering. Loaded test. The vehicle must push/pull/carry a heavy load from a dead stop. Throttle will be applied very slowly. Speed test. The vehicle will accelerate from a dead stop via immediate wot until it reaches its top speed. If, during the stall and load tests, that it is found that lower gearing takes the cogging/chatter away, they will be allowed to test with that gearing. However, they must maintain that gearing during all subsequent tests. Last edited by Duuuuuuuude; 11-21-2013 at 05:28 PM. |
11-21-2013, 05:30 PM | #48 | |
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11-21-2013, 07:08 PM | #49 |
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We good now stevem? Doubt it, i'm betting you'll double post multiple reasons why this post was misguided, & that the debate your pushing, must rage on.[/QUOTE] this wasnt meant to be a debate, its supposed to be a jump off point for a catalog of video samples of what to expect from a product before you buy it... it snowballed into a bunch of people giving reasons not to bother. if it doesnt interest you, move on. if it does then post a vid and description of your drivetrain, so that the guy thinking of buying the same one can see what to expect out of it before he plunks his dough down. simple enough? |
11-21-2013, 07:53 PM | #50 | |
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It was a waste of time from the first post, there is no wrong answer here just as there is no right one. The end result you claim to have been going for might have been achieved if you had not come across as such a contrarian. | |
11-21-2013, 08:05 PM | #51 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: bel air
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
yup- i dont follow the heard blindly...but i would at least read the previous post before injecting my completely off base opinion for the 10th time, not a absolute right or wrong answer... a catalog of info to base a decision on. |
11-21-2013, 08:23 PM | #52 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Cincinnati
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate I also choose not to follow the heard....or the herd blindly. My point was that people offered you their opinions and you argued with them, and thats what I based my opinion off of. I like my brushed motors just fine they do what I want them to do, thats the end of the debate for me. I will stay away from this thread now.... until it gets moved to chit chat anyway.
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11-21-2013, 08:32 PM | #53 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: bel air
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
and i will say again... this wasnt for opinions it was a request for videos... i should have been clearer in the original post as how i phrased it leaves room for interpretation. it was a carry over from another thread. i am looking for video to catalog to give a prospective motor and esc buyer a way to make his decision from a point of view they dont have. see it running. not for ME to decide which is better, but for the buyer of equipment. that is as clear as i can put it, i went back to the first post and tried to be more specific Last edited by stevem50; 11-21-2013 at 08:36 PM. |
11-22-2013, 08:21 AM | #54 |
www.ottsix.com Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
You have to understand that most of us have been doing this for a long time and run both types of motors in different rigs for different reasons so none of this is big news to us...I don't think that anyone is going to take the time to make a video of something that has no merit. Last edited by crawl-o-matic; 11-22-2013 at 12:30 PM. |
11-22-2013, 08:54 AM | #55 |
Scale Detail Engineering Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Turtle Island
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
I ran HH 14t Pullers on 6s (best brushed motors ever made in my opinion) in both my C2 and C3 comp rigs. They are amazing motors with great start up, good speed and insane torque! I felt they were the best all around motor. But then, Tekin released the Pro4's. The Pro4's are better in all aspects hands down. Better low end, way more top end and awesome torque. I run them in both my rigs now. Here is my 14t Puller on 6s (bug) vs a Tekin Pro4 on 3s. The 14t was the only motor that day that could match the Pro4 3300. Up until this pull, the Pro4 didn't even need to apply throttle against most of the rigs, the drag brake was strong enough. Keep in mind, the Sami weighs more than the Bug. Holmes 14t Puller vs Tekin Pro4 - YouTube Last edited by johnnyh66; 11-22-2013 at 09:04 AM. |
11-22-2013, 10:15 AM | #56 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
to go along with what everyone else is saying here.... Last month i competed in my first club event. I won 2 of 4 events with my 27T/Axial AE-2/2s lipo set up. I wont the trail comp and the king of the hill. BUT, I had NO chance at the tractor pull and the tug of war.....Got my rig handed to me. Brushless setups ruled the roost there. If you're trailin' or bashin' and you want performance and piece of mind, I think a smooth 2s/3s brushless set up with the right gears will win over a brushed set up (depending on the manufacturer) SIMPLY do to lack of wear parts in a brushless system. In my experience, Brushless set ups are more reliable over time and require less maintenance. If this is your bag, buy that. Over all, again, I'll say what everyone else has already stated...Depends on your intended purpose and pocket book (yes, pocketbook! Everyone knows our ladies control what we spend on this hobby) |
11-22-2013, 03:53 PM | #57 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: bel air
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
i give up- you guys simply wont accept that my intention is to offer a way to pick a motor from VIDEO clips with a loose base line as refrence... i quit
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11-22-2013, 04:57 PM | #58 |
www.ottsix.com Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
We get it...trust me
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11-25-2013, 06:48 PM | #59 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
Everyone know's nitros make the best crawler motors anyway. This is kinda like KY Jelly VS Astroglide, different strokes for different folks. |
11-29-2013, 09:34 AM | #60 |
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| Re: brushed vs. brushless video battle to settle the debate
Wow misleading title.
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