Scale vs comp suspension

[TLR_junkie]

If what I am seeing is correct. (I have only owned a scale truck for less than a month and never owned a comp crawler.) the main difference in the two types of suspensions is how/where the shocks are mounted, is this correct?

I.e.- the scale trucks have a vertical mounted position and the comp shocks are laid down.

Is this the reason a comp crawler has so much more travel?

[EeePee]

They don't have more articulation.

Spin again.

[TLR_junkie]

Fixed.

[351Beno]

Its more about link geometry then travel. I have seen extremes on both ends. But in the end flex dont make it better, most find a good balance is best. You really have to drive a comp rig on some rocks to see what i mean. The first time i drove one it was like gravity is a big joke.

[EeePee]

They don't have more travel.

Spin again.

Think smaller chassis and lower center of gravity.

Link geometry can be exactly the same.

[351Beno]

Also lack of bumpers, full length frame rails, spare tire, winch, ect ect. Keep spinning

[TLR_junkie]

Originally Posted by EeePee

They don't have more travel.

Spin again.

Think smaller chassis and lower center of gravity.

Link geometry can be exactly the same.

Always has to be that one guy...

Originally Posted by 351Beno

Its more about link geometry then travel. I have seen extremes on both ends. But in the end flex dont make it better, most find a good balance is best. You really have to drive a comp rig on some rocks to see what i mean. The first time i drove one it was like gravity is a big joke.

Yeah I guess that makes sense, the frames are quite a bit different as well which plays a hand.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Comp rigs generally run a smaller chassis that maximizes ground clearance in critical areas and has the lowest practical center of gravity. Scalers tend to look like their 1:1 counter parts as much as possible and have full frame rails. They can have the exact same shock and link geometry.

The interesting thing about scalers is there seems to be a bias towards looking the part vs performing. I guess if you have enough crap attached to the body and barbie behind the wheel you don't have to perform. Everyone gets a trophy.

[EeePee]

That one guy that's right?

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by EeePee

That one guy that's right?

You didn't cuddle him and tell him his eyes look pretty in the moonlight so he thinks you're being a dick.

[EeePee]

Oh, well let me apologize with this sincere apology.

My bad.

That's the new "sorry" right?

[WHITE-TRASH]

Couldn't tell you, I don't say sorry.

[351Beno]

They could be the same geometry if you what a pos that dont work well. As you add weight up top you need to adjust for that. What works for my xr10 dont work as well on my scx10 or wraith. Its really a whole package. Lay your shocks down on a scaler and see.

[EeePee]

I have. As I have (not had) I think 10 trucks, since 2004. Been there done that. My old K2 Reign truck still works better than my SCX10. The original cheater scaler trucks. Laid down shocks and weird geometry. I do like my SCX a lot though.

Axle swing.

Gatekeeper/Losi. Berg. Narrow skid, wide uppers. Best.

[84yoda]

The reason comp rigs run there shocks so laid back is because it makes the suspension so soft. Scale couldn't do that because they need the spring rate to hold there rig up. Lol

[msrace]

It seems like many people tend to just follow the crappy geometry their rig started with. What many rc guys call scale is so far from reality it's pathetic. Unfortunately that is still the trend.

[Dostradamas]

Seems simple to me.
Comp suspension is set up for the best performance with zero consideration for looks.

Scaler suspension prioritizes scale looks above performance.

If your asking this question I would spend more time driving and less time shopping.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by 84yoda

The reason comp rigs run there shocks so laid back is because it makes the suspension so soft. Scale couldn't do that because they need the spring rate to hold there rig up. Lol

You know you can buy springs with different rates, right?

[TLR_junkie]

Originally Posted by Dostradamas

Seems simple to me.
Comp suspension is set up for the best performance with zero consideration for looks.

Scaler suspension prioritizes scale looks above performance.

If your asking this question I would spend more time driving and less time shopping.

Simply put, I was asking because I just wanted to understand how they both work and the differences. I am very new to "crawling" and havnt had the ability to see any real comp crawlers in person as of yet. Not that it matters I guess. I decided to pick up a"scale" truck because all the traveling from racing off road was burning me out.

I just like to learn new shit...

[msrace]

I have been reworking my wraith as a full on crawler based on all the knowledge I've gained from building and wheeling my 1:1 rock crawler. There's a lot of room for improvement on most of the typical retail rig. Shock placement has been one of the biggest issues I see in most.