Axial News - Bad News?

[kincer]

The Blazer body is all I want lol, I haven't found one brand new take off body on ebay yet!

[Browneye]

Originally Posted by kincer

The Blazer body is all I want lol, I haven't found one brand new take off body on ebay yet!

Uncut bodies next month. Watch or put one on order.

I want another one for my RTR Blazer. Got some RC4WD Rallye Wheels to go with it.

[kincer]

Originally Posted by Browneye

Uncut bodies next month. Watch or put one on order.

I want another one for my RTR Blazer. Got some RC4WD Rallye Wheels to go with it.

Those wheels are SWEET!

[Stray]

Axial has to of had value. I very much doubt it is the sinking ship you all seem to be making it out to be.

Why would horizon buy it, when they already have losi and Vaterra if it was a sinking ship?

Yes the Axial model is a little tired (and I agree change is needed), but Tamiya has used that model for nearly 40 years and they seem to be doing ok. By that I mean, make a chassis then add heaps of different bodies to it and sell them as different models.

I think that in the future we will see a lot of diverse options from Axial. I am expecting some kind of axial inspired 8th scale crawling machine, maybe a bomber xl? and soon....

I bet if you ask any non crawler RC person to name a brand that makes rock crawlers, they will all say Axial first. This alone makes the brand valuable.

If you also look at crawling products outside of North America, Axial is VERY well supported, much more so than other crawler options.

my 2 cents.

[Rich Trujillo]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Ramblings on the Book of Faces about changes at Axial? I've read ramblings of the Jeff Johns (President/founder of Axial) walked away. Other rumors, as they always do, indicate worse.

Does anybody have the real story?

Everybody step back from the edge LOL

It was a bummer to hear Jeff was leaving but he has his reasons to do so and I did enjoy working with him for the time i did.

I've seen the same thing happen when Gil Losi Jr. left to work for Kyosho. All i heard was Team Losi racing is done, they brand will die, etc....yet ironically, just today we released 3 new TLR racing buggies...our most advanced yet (I sound like Apple LOL).

I can't speak for the other guys that left when they did but many left even prior to Horizon officially taking over.

That being said I take pride in working for Horizon and take it from someone who was laid off and then asked back (I would not have come back if it was a bad place to work). Tough decisions were made back then and there is a reason why HH was able to buy Hobbico and the brands it had...pretty good management decisions to keep a company healthy.

Sure there are bumps in the road and there will always be changes (again I went through this when HH bought Team Losi), but rest assured, HH did not buy the Hobbico and Axial to bury it, in fact the opposite is true...I know we have some killer stuff in the pipe line


Hope this helps,
Rich

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by LSXGMC

I was pretty happy when my new Axial Blazer came in the mail until I noticed the body alignment looked... off. Took off the body and saw this lol. Wow. Brutal materials!

That's just brutal. Picture perfect example of why I've been knocking Axial materials for so long. If that was Redcat people would laugh and tell you to stop buying junk. But we keep buying Axial junk.

Originally Posted by Rich Trujillo

Everybody step back from the edge LOL



It was a bummer to hear Jeff was leaving but he has his reasons to do so and I did enjoy working with him for the time i did.



I've seen the same thing happen when Gil Losi Jr. left to work for Kyosho. All i heard was Team Losi racing is done, they brand will die, etc....yet ironically, just today we released 3 new TLR racing buggies...our most advanced yet (I sound like Apple LOL).



I can't speak for the other guys that left when they did but many left even prior to Horizon officially taking over.



That being said I take pride in working for Horizon and take it from someone who was laid off and then asked back (I would not have come back if it was a bad place to work). Tough decisions were made back then and there is a reason why HH was able to buy Hobbico and the brands it had...pretty good management decisions to keep a company healthy.



Sure there are bumps in the road and there will always be changes (again I went through this when HH bought Team Losi), but rest assured, HH did not buy the Hobbico and Axial to bury it, in fact the opposite is true...I know we have some killer stuff in the pipe line





Hope this helps,

Rich

I hoped you'd respond. After the story unfolded on Facebook I realized it was drama. Some of my RC friends are the most dramatic people I've ever seen. I haven't met them to see if that's their real life personality. I don't understand the drama.

Rich, I know you don't have all of the say, but start filling Axial molds with Vaterra plastic. I know it's not that easy (shrink rates, etc), but Axial needs serious help in the quality department. See the photo from LSXGMC above.

Hopefully all of the new Axial products going forward use the Vaterra plastic formula.

I'm personally done buying Axial products until the quality improves or until you release a new blockbuster. Traxxas and others raised the bar. Time for Axial to catch up again.

Oh and what would it take to get the Rock Rey kit back?

[cjhike]

Thanks Rich!

I love my Axial rigs, they are my favourite ones!

Every RC breaks, needs upgrades etc - that is the hobby and part of what makes it fun! If I bought a truck and it did not need any changes, upgrades over the years I run it that would get pretty boring.

Just please do not let the torque twist problem of the Vaterra Ascender make it over to the Axial SCX10 line on new releases.

[Rich Trujillo]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

That's just brutal. Picture perfect example of why I've been knocking Axial materials for so long. If that was Redcat people would laugh and tell you to stop buying junk. But we keep buying Axial junk.



Rich, I know you don't have all of the say, but start filling Axial molds with Vaterra plastic. I know it's not that easy (shrink rates, etc), but Axial needs serious help in the quality department. See the photo from LSXGMC above.



Oh and what would it take to get the Rock Rey kit back?

Wish i could see the pics here but for some reason our firewall at work blocks images on RCC.

As we progress and Axial brands/factories start coming into our quality expectations all this will improve. Just takes time.

As for the Rock Rey kit...it's gone. Just not enough "kit" builders buying them out there and it just didn't make sense to keep it in the line up.

Rich

[mikemcE]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

Am I reading this right? The kit is 900 bucks!!!!!?


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You forgot servo’s, esc, rx. Add another $400.00 to the $899.00.
IF you followed the thread it was about doubling the cost of the rtrs.
Been there and done that, with a boxfull of useless parts that I might get 50 cents on the dollar for. So I saved money easily in the end.
My Wraith has all the upgrades, trust me I’ve easily spent 3 times the original cost, and built another wraith with a few parts ordered.


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[mikemcE]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

To each their own. No doubt.

But 900 dollars just for a 1/10 kit? I’m dying.


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What axles you running ?
Don’t die, it’s just a tiny truck


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[Mattyice]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

What axles you running ?
Don’t die, it’s just a tiny truck


Hang up and Drive

Whatever is Stock on an Axial Deadbolt. I spent a whopping 150 bucks on the entire truck.


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[Mattyice]

Originally Posted by mikemcE

You forgot servo’s, esc, rx. Add another $400.00 to the $899.00.
IF you followed the thread it was about doubling the cost of the rtrs.
Been there and done that, with a boxfull of useless parts that I might get 50 cents on the dollar for. So I saved money easily in the end.
My Wraith has all the upgrades, trust me I’ve easily spent 3 times the original cost, and built another wraith with a few parts ordered.


Hang up and Drive

Thanks. And I’m aware of How RTR’s work. But spending 900 bucks on a kit because it has “lots of aluminum?” Come on man. What can your toy do that mine can’t?


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[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

To each their own. No doubt.

But 900 dollars just for a 1/10 kit? I’m dying.

It is a box full of the finest aftermarket parts out there at a discount due to being sold in one unit. Granted I am not their target buyer since I don't have a use for about 80% of the parts but for those that do it's a bargain.




As for the bent body posts, oh boy that's a tough one. Gotta make sure and snap a pic because we wouldn't want to miss that opportunity!

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

Thanks. And I’m aware of How RTR’s work. But spending 900 bucks on a kit because it has “lots of aluminum?” Come on man. What can your toy do that mine can’t?

It can be sold after a year of abuse for more than 50% of its value. The bare axles are going for $400 by themselves. The transmission is another $100, bumpers, frame etc all add up to the point the use isn't nearly as detrimental to the value as it is on the basic off the shelf rigs.



The closest rig to a vs410 that I own is my Berg. To buy it as a roller is well over $1500. Some people take certain aspects of the hobby more seriously than others.

[Mattyice]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

It can be sold after a year of abuse for more than 50% of its value. The bare axles are going for $400 by themselves. The transmission is another $100, bumpers, frame etc all add up to the point the use isn't nearly as detrimental to the value as it is on the basic off the shelf rigs.







The closest rig to a vs410 that I own is my Berg. To buy it as a roller is well over $1500. Some people take certain aspects of the hobby more seriously than others.

For sure. But outside of resale value, your rig isn’t doing anything mine isn’t.



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[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

For sure. But outside of resale value, your rig isn’t doing anything mine isn’t.

I used to say the same thing. Nothing anybody could say would change my mind. Now I realize I was wrong. There are a lot of things people insist on spending a bunch of cash on that I still shake my head at but when its quality it makes sense.

[durok]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

Thanks. And I’m aware of How RTR’s work. But spending 900 bucks on a kit because it has “lots of aluminum?” Come on man. What can your toy do that mine can’t?


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To simplify the concept here for someone that is taking an odd tone for someone that just joined a forum dedicated to people modifying and upgrading toy trucks...

On the one hand, look at a cheap plastic-handled stainless-steel pocket-knife that cost $25.

Then check out a S30V heat-treated steel pocket-knife with G10 slab handles from well-known maker that costs $75-$100...

3 to 4 times the cost, but with better design, engineering, and using higher-grade materials.

It's going to outperform and outlast the cheaper knife.

Sure, both items will slice open an envelope.

Your $150 Deadbolt is a piss-poor example, as that is not the new price of the RTR vehicle.

It is commonly sold for $300 and is the cheapest Axial RTR vehicle sold.

[Browneye]

Haha.. none if it makes sense to wifey ver2.0.

Im glad I have a money-tree for my hobby.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by Mattyice

For sure. But outside of resale value, your rig isn’t doing anything mine isn’t.



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You are quite wrong there actually . The suspension geometry and plastic links on your deadbolt will reject your rig from a lot of lines the VP rig will walk.

Your rig cannot handle the same level of power or torque either. Your middle gear in the transmission will be the first to give out, then the lower gear, then the transmission outputs, then the lockers and driveshafts, then outer shafts, then you will be flexing the axle housings and start eating up rings and pinions. The VP rig already has these things fixed, and by the time you buy all of that you are actually cheaper to buy the VP rig to begin with.

[Mattyice]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

I used to say the same thing. Nothing anybody could say would change my mind. Now I realize I was wrong. There are a lot of things people insist on spending a bunch of cash on that I still shake my head at but when its quality it makes sense.

Well said. And in the spirit of not derailing this discussion further, I concede. I think 900 bucks on an incomplete truck is nuts but I can’t argue others perceived value.

I hope Axial remains solid as I’m enjoying my little 150 dollar toy truck.


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