05-25-2007, 01:02 PM | #41 | |
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But boy, NOTHING compares to droop setup in a desert rock enviroment, your rig feel like a spider! ~John | |
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05-25-2007, 01:06 PM | #42 | |
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05-25-2007, 01:12 PM | #43 |
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05-25-2007, 01:15 PM | #44 | |
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This is the main reason I like 50/50 setup best of both worlds. | |
05-25-2007, 01:16 PM | #45 |
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| I live in Missouri. We have a pretty good balance of rocks around this area. Some sticker then others. Even temp plays a roll on the rocks if they are going to be sticky or not.
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05-25-2007, 01:19 PM | #46 |
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also, not everyone runs an internal spring in their droop rig... I have found some heavy weight oil works well. good thread btw, nice read. |
05-25-2007, 01:21 PM | #47 |
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| On a 50/50 set up do you run springs inside and outside so they work together and kind of against each other? I could see how that would work great. It would allow the spring on the inside to have a little more force to keep it low and the outer spring would still have down force. and would allow the spring to unload as easy. And the outer spring would always be pushing down. Thats more how a 1:1 Coil-over works. Well closer the just the internal spring anyway. Here I go comparing the two again. Sorry...But the 50/50 set makes a lot more sense.
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05-25-2007, 01:22 PM | #48 |
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| That would almost be like running a sprung set up. Because of the compress oil. ya there is alot of reading in this thread. Not sure if it hurts or helps out any. Just trying to get some deeper thought into the droop craze.
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05-25-2007, 01:26 PM | #50 |
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But I have seen rigs with the normal 4 link and sprung set up sit just as low as any set up. All but the Stick styles. But thats different of course. If the normal 4 link and sprung sit up guys put spacers on there shocks shafts (on the outside) that would limit there up travel but not there down travel. Thus giving it a drop like suspension. Right? Also on a Tube chassis that has a higher center of gravity. They all do. There is no way around that. The internal spring would help fight that and make it crawl better. But I think a 50/50 set up would do better if you have your weight balance correctly. I'd like to throw this out there again. Just to make it clear. I'm not bashing any one set up or Chassis. Just trying to understand the physics of the RC Droop design. I guess I need to just forget about 1:1 Droop set ups. As they are nothing a like. Last edited by run2jeepn; 05-25-2007 at 01:32 PM. |
05-25-2007, 01:32 PM | #51 |
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Its not that hard of a concept to understand... But you keep asknig the same questions over and over, you just need to build one and try it. Lets say a droop rig has a 2.5" belly clearance, and a sprung has 2.75" belly clearance. If both high center, the droop rigs axles can drop down a inch or more, hopefully finding traction. A sprung setup might be able to drop half a inch, but if they are a partial droop, they can drop more. Don't know if I can make it any clearer then that.... |
05-25-2007, 01:32 PM | #52 |
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| What I’ve gathered in this discussion so far. Droop (however set up no int. spring or springs pushing opposite normal shock travel) needs the weight of the “rig” to keep traction at the wheels and using the opposite shocks “pull (if you will)” to add the down force for good traction or tire to the road. On R/C’s because the weight factor is not comparable to 1:1 where you would want the added down force with coil-over’s. The added up force is a benefit. (yes/no?) Limiting straps on a conventional shock set up just gives it a torsionest (word?) feel because both springs giving an equal amount of down force allowing it to float in a cense. Belly draggers that have a normal set up is “set” at that rid height and will only decrease when shocks are compressed. But as a droop set up the GC will increase because the axle or wheel will drop adding space to your bottom line. Let me know if I’m off on my review so far.? Edit: I missed the last 4 or 5 posts while writting this. |
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Just try one allready.
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| Harley0706's "Goferit" WK Tuber Build This pic will hopfully show the drop mike is talking about |
05-25-2007, 01:49 PM | #57 |
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OK one thing first. Your new chassis looks sick. Great job on it. In this pic the front tire thats fully drooped. Isn't the shock trying to pull it up? But then again the rear is doing the oppsite and forcing it back down in way. Correct? So it's making to more stable by doing so. I'm I right? Last edited by run2jeepn; 05-25-2007 at 01:52 PM. |
05-25-2007, 01:56 PM | #58 |
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Suspension is independent from each other. Yes the front right shock is trying to lift the axle upward. The spring is so light though. That it can't over come the static weight of the axle. To awnser another one of your questions the WB changes less than an 1/8" through it's travel. |
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How is it robbing traction if most of my weight is on the axle? One tire or the other will be getting that traction, as my weight does not magicly disapear frmo the axles. And again, the springs are very light, they still allow the axle to fully drop. |
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