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Harley · 10-26-2007, 05:57 PM

In anticipation of the up coming release of the Hilux on the F-350 platform I have decided I want to design a new scale frame for these rigs.

Many of you know the X-Trail the I designed for the Axial AX-10 to convert it into a scale rig. I based the profile of that frame off of a Bruiser, I want this chassis to follow similar lines.

The Re-release of the Hilux body deserves a better appearing chassis, I think we can handle that.

The X-Trail was a different type of project then this one. This one I am going to involve everyone for the whole process. I will be taking your suggestions and comments the whole time.

Project Overview/Goals:

More scale style profile
Reposition stock components to improve style and performance
Allow for mounting of transmission in stock location and "clocked position"
Reuse as many stock components as possible to keep cost down for you

I hope that all of you will comment on the things you would like to see be introduced.

Harley · 10-26-2007, 06:20 PM

Side note, this will also be the build thread for my F-350 tow rig for my new Hilux (make sense?)

I am actually going to be building **cough** having built **cough** a tube trailer. I actually designed a tube trailer for a co-worker this summer for his 1:1 project. He built it this summer and it turned out pretty good. So why not have a scale one made for myself :-P

I have renderings of the model, but I forgot them at work today. I also have pictures of the 1:1 that was built.

Ultimate goal is for a Harley (Davidson) edition F-350 with an MFU pulling a trail ready Yota Hilux on a good looking trailer.

aggressivellc · 10-26-2007, 06:40 PM

Sounds cool Josh. Since you said you want it to use most of the stock parts are you gonna set it up for leaf springs or 4-link? Id personally like to see it have the ability to run either one.

mississippirocs · 10-26-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by aggressivellc

Sounds cool Josh. Since you said you want it to use most of the stock parts are you gonna set it up for leaf springs or 4-link? Id personally like to see it have the ability to run either one.

I personally would like to get one of the prototypes to test it!

Shaun (yota) · 10-26-2007, 06:57 PM

Maybe make it wide enough for a R2 tranny with an adapater for the stock tranny and at least the rear four linked. Also make it so you can run 1.9 and not look like it has 12" of lift.

Harley · 10-26-2007, 07:14 PM

Since I am going to use the Bruiser profile as a starting point, the center drop down section lends itself nicely to 4 link mounting locations.

I want to be able to give you the fewest amount of parts possible, this keeps machining time down, number of vendors I have to use down, and ultimately keeps the cost to you down and it will get to you quicker.

Plates are also being developed to clock the transmission on its side, rotate the motor, and clock the transfer case. This will provide a lower COG, more room for interior, and clearance to lower the body. They will also be available separately so that you can use them on any build with a 3-speed you want.

I still need to model all the stock parts, that will easily take me 20-30 hours. Hopefully I can have it done next week sometime. This will give us lots of time for brain storming

I also want to use the same shape for the shock towers that I did on the X-Trail, because I think they look cool

I will post a conceptual profile shape later tonight I hope.

aggressivellc · 10-26-2007, 07:17 PM

Sounds good man. Cant wait to see it.

chip cross · 10-26-2007, 07:29 PM

a place on the chassis for a winch would be nice

pro beater · 10-26-2007, 07:31 PM

how about coil spring perches that ya can mount on the front of the chassis? like for a cherokee or early bronco ?

aggressivellc · 10-26-2007, 07:34 PM

how about a better steering setup?

chip cross · 10-26-2007, 07:41 PM

don't forget mounting points for the R2 tranny

Thorsteenster · 10-26-2007, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley0706

Plates are also being developed to clock the transmission on its side, rotate the motor, and clock the transfer case. This will provide a lower COG, more room for interior, and clearance to lower the body. They will also be available separately so that you can use them on any build with a 3-speed you want.

Don't forget increased ground clearence clarence.

I say forget the R2 mounts, this is a 3-speed frame!

Just Zach · 10-26-2007, 11:15 PM

I'm loving the idea

mrpink · 10-28-2007, 07:25 PM

more holes for mounting tube flat beds and exo's... I dont see any spare holes on the xtrail. just makes things a little easier for us tubers.

chrispl · 10-28-2007, 09:50 PM

i'm going to try to make as scale a rig as i can soon...say a chev,custom made frame so its as close to real life as possible,opening doors,hood and tail gate,find a motor and put it into a model 350 or something,fuel cell w/ reciver(stolen idea ;)) custom interior and a ton of other stuff....but cant wait to see pics of yours..

Harley · 10-28-2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrpink

more holes for mounting tube flat beds and exo's... I dont see any spare holes on the xtrail. just makes things a little easier for us tubers.

That is a tough thing to do, you don't want to add too many holes and have the rails end up looking like swiss cheese (MFM).

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrispl

i'm going to try to make as scale a rig as i can soon...say a chev,custom made frame so its as close to real life as possible,opening doors,hood and tail gate,find a motor and put it into a model 350 or something,fuel cell w/ reciver(stolen idea ;)) custom interior and a ton of other stuff....but cant wait to see pics of yours..

Uhhh.......what did you just say?

hiliftcrawler · 10-29-2007, 07:13 PM

sounds like it will be a good frame but why lock the tranny posision then we're still stuck with the low center clearance and half to change how we put in the trannyor use a diffrent tranny

and try keeping it so you can run leafs or 4link

Harley · 10-29-2007, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hiliftcrawler

sounds like it will be a good frame but why lock the tranny posision then we're still stuck with the low center clearance and half to change how we put in the tranny or use a diffrent tranny

Transmission plates are being developed to change the way the transmission is configured. This will help clearances and ground clearance.

The high lift is NOT a crawler, it is a scale rig. It can be transformed into a capable trail rig imitating a crawler however. The goal for this chassis is to improve the scale appearance and improve the performance as much as possible at the same time.

Wicked_Jester · 10-30-2007, 09:09 AM

will this chassis be able to have the factory tilt bed?

niggle · 10-30-2007, 09:31 AM

When are you hopeing to have this chassis done by? This chassis could be the deciding factor as to whether i get the highlift hilux or not. Im really looking foward to seeing the chassis built and being able to have a competitive scale rig with a 3 speed

Jon

10-26-2007, 05:57 PM	#1
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	Harley's New Scale Frame for the High Lift In anticipation of the up coming release of the Hilux on the F-350 platform I have decided I want to design a new scale frame for these rigs. Many of you know the X-Trail the I designed for the Axial AX-10 to convert it into a scale rig. I based the profile of that frame off of a Bruiser, I want this chassis to follow similar lines. The Re-release of the Hilux body deserves a better appearing chassis, I think we can handle that. The X-Trail was a different type of project then this one. This one I am going to involve everyone for the whole process. I will be taking your suggestions and comments the whole time. Project Overview/Goals: More scale style profile Reposition stock components to improve style and performance Allow for mounting of transmission in stock location and "clocked position" Reuse as many stock components as possible to keep cost down for you I hope that all of you will comment on the things you would like to see be introduced.

10-26-2007, 06:40 PM	#3
aggressivellc Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Racking my Brain Posts: 424	Sounds cool Josh. Since you said you want it to use most of the stock parts are you gonna set it up for leaf springs or 4-link? Id personally like to see it have the ability to run either one. Last edited by aggressivellc; 10-26-2007 at 06:43 PM.

10-29-2007, 07:13 PM	#17
hiliftcrawler Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: plymouth Posts: 325	sounds like it will be a good frame but why lock the tranny posision then we're still stuck with the low center clearance and half to change how we put in the trannyor use a diffrent tranny and try keeping it so you can run leafs or 4link Last edited by hiliftcrawler; 10-29-2007 at 07:19 PM.

10-26-2007, 06:20 PM	#2
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	Side note, this will also be the build thread for my F-350 tow rig for my new Hilux (make sense?) I am actually going to be building cough having built cough a tube trailer. I actually designed a tube trailer for a co-worker this summer for his 1:1 project. He built it this summer and it turned out pretty good. So why not have a scale one made for myself :-P I have renderings of the model, but I forgot them at work today. I also have pictures of the 1:1 that was built. Ultimate goal is for a Harley (Davidson) edition F-350 with an MFU pulling a trail ready Yota Hilux on a good looking trailer.

10-26-2007, 06:57 PM	#5
Shaun (yota) Rock Crawler Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Holiday, FL Posts: 540	Maybe make it wide enough for a R2 tranny with an adapater for the stock tranny and at least the rear four linked. Also make it so you can run 1.9 and not look like it has 12" of lift.

10-26-2007, 07:14 PM	#6
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	Since I am going to use the Bruiser profile as a starting point, the center drop down section lends itself nicely to 4 link mounting locations. I want to be able to give you the fewest amount of parts possible, this keeps machining time down, number of vendors I have to use down, and ultimately keeps the cost to you down and it will get to you quicker. Plates are also being developed to clock the transmission on its side, rotate the motor, and clock the transfer case. This will provide a lower COG, more room for interior, and clearance to lower the body. They will also be available separately so that you can use them on any build with a 3-speed you want. I still need to model all the stock parts, that will easily take me 20-30 hours. Hopefully I can have it done next week sometime. This will give us lots of time for brain storming I also want to use the same shape for the shock towers that I did on the X-Trail, because I think they look cool I will post a conceptual profile shape later tonight I hope.

10-26-2007, 07:17 PM	#7
aggressivellc Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Racking my Brain Posts: 424	Sounds good man. Cant wait to see it.

10-26-2007, 07:29 PM	#8
chip cross ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In tha Bush of Louisiana Posts: 4,343	a place on the chassis for a winch would be nice

10-26-2007, 07:31 PM	#9
pro beater Quarry Creeper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Pueblo West Posts: 250	how about coil spring perches that ya can mount on the front of the chassis? like for a cherokee or early bronco ?

10-26-2007, 07:34 PM	#10
aggressivellc Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Racking my Brain Posts: 424	how about a better steering setup?

10-26-2007, 07:41 PM	#11
chip cross ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In tha Bush of Louisiana Posts: 4,343	don't forget mounting points for the R2 tranny

10-26-2007, 11:15 PM	#13
Just Zach '08 2.2 National Champ Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UTRCRC Posts: 5,585	I'm loving the idea

10-28-2007, 07:25 PM	#14
mrpink RCC Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: trying to find out what a TVuPer is..... Posts: 1,851	more holes for mounting tube flat beds and exo's... I dont see any spare holes on the xtrail. just makes things a little easier for us tubers.

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10-28-2007, 09:50 PM	#15
chrispl Rock Stacker Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Calgary Posts: 52	i'm going to try to make as scale a rig as i can soon...say a chev,custom made frame so its as close to real life as possible,opening doors,hood and tail gate,find a motor and put it into a model 350 or something,fuel cell w/ reciver(stolen idea ;)) custom interior and a ton of other stuff....but cant wait to see pics of yours..

10-30-2007, 09:09 AM	#19
Wicked_Jester RCC Addict Join Date: May 2006 Location: nor-cal Posts: 1,048	will this chassis be able to have the factory tilt bed?

10-30-2007, 09:31 AM	#20
niggle Rock Stacker Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 60	When are you hopeing to have this chassis done by? This chassis could be the deciding factor as to whether i get the highlift hilux or not. Im really looking foward to seeing the chassis built and being able to have a competitive scale rig with a 3 speed Jon

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