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Old 06-08-2019, 01:41 AM   #1
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Tried putting portals on a Toyzuki v2 and it was pretty meh. So I wanted to see how some of the other chassis stacked up as far as clearance goes. I made a composite image of some of the best side views I could find. This image isn't 100% accurate but it's as close as I could manage. So I stacked a Couple of Toyzukies, SCX10, TRX-4, and a VS4-10. Lol I bought the sport, swapped the axles to ar60's and resold it for about the same price I got it for, and now I'm considering getting one of the parted out ones of of fleabay cause there so cheap :P Except for the scx10 and the Toyzuki v2 these all seem to have about the same rise/clearance. I think the new Element Enduro Is right there too, taking the front of the VS4-10 and the rear of the TRX4. Motor location isn't bad on the trx4.

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Old 06-08-2019, 07:40 AM   #2
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You are missing the CCC hill killer v4.

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Old 06-08-2019, 07:48 AM   #3
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i can for sure say you have the axial and trx4 chassies profile wrong the trx4 has about a1/2" - 9/16th" more drop at the skid mounting point than the axial scx10 the vs4 is very similer to the traxass but the ends turn down for the bumpers to mount to the redcat gen8 looks almost exsacly like the vs4 frame rails but there way bigger in every way

its hard to compair from the pictures cause theres not a scale or tape mesure in the pictures to compair with
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:56 AM   #4
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You are missing the CCC hill killer v4.

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If you provide me with a good profile pic of the chassis like these and the length I can add it, I can't use angled shots and that's all I can find.

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i can for sure say you have the axial and trx4 chassies profile wrong the trx4 has about a1/2" - 9/16th" more drop at the skid mounting point than the axial scx10 the vs4 is very similer to the traxass but the ends turn down for the bumpers to mount to the redcat gen8 looks almost exsacly like the vs4 frame rails but there way bigger in every way

its hard to compair from the pictures cause theres not a scale or tape mesure in the pictures to compair with
The drop is1/2 more in the picture, but all of the skids were normalized to the same height. So you see it over the axles. The trx4 is 1/2 in higher over the axles instead.

This is how the same profiles look if normalized at the rear axle with skids mostly flat. And a ruler...
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Old 06-08-2019, 12:02 PM   #5
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You missed the Gen8 too. Yeah, I know, everyone is supposed to hate Redcat , but the Gen8 frame rails are stout. Definitely an option to consider.
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Old 06-08-2019, 03:35 PM   #6
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right on i just cant see it
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Old 06-08-2019, 07:42 PM   #7
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I know I missed a ton of chassis obviously. Maybe I could make a flash app that could compair more but too many in one picture is just a mess, and nobody likes flash any more.
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Old 06-08-2019, 10:45 PM   #8
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Oh that would be rad.
Would make choosing a new rig a little easier. Maybe.
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Old 06-11-2019, 01:14 AM   #9
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The measurements I found make the redcat seem much larger than the rest of these.
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Old 06-11-2019, 09:57 AM   #10
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I really like this!! very helpful in deciding on chassis! Thank you for your work on this voodoo!!! My question is, with all these new chassis coming out does the "high clearance" rails really make a difference? I mean yeah it sounds like it would but does it really??? I see where it'd help with articulation but does it really help on the rocks?
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It helps with portal axles imo because you can then lower the skid more, but it also either raises the center of gravity or you lose ground clearance on the skid. There is a balance you need to watch.
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That makes since for portals. So then for normal axles there's not much of an advantage? I guess you could still drop the ride height but then be dragging the skid and hitting the rails. Yep it's all about the balance! Thanks!
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Old 06-12-2019, 08:14 AM   #13
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That makes since for portals. So then for normal axles there's not much of an advantage? I guess you could still drop the ride height but then be dragging the skid and hitting the rails. Yep it's all about the balance! Thanks!
Yep yep. High clearence rails really only benefit portal axles.

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Old 06-12-2019, 09:07 AM   #14
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Yep, that was my conclusion too. I'm still new to this so I'm still trying to figure out all the technical stuff out. I appreciate all the help from everyone one this forum!!!
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Yes, appreciated for all the information. I am having hard time choosing between the vs410 pro and toyzuki v3 myself. Any pointers and advice will be greatful as I am fairly new to all this. Thanks again!

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Yes, appreciated for all the information. I am having hard time choosing between the vs410 pro and toyzuki v3 myself. Any pointers and advice will be greatful as I am fairly new to all this. Thanks again!

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When I was looking I didn't have much luck finding a V3 chassis so I went with VS4 10 chassis kit.
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Old 08-07-2019, 11:15 AM   #17
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Someone said that the main problem with stock chassis' is the "excessive anti-squat and anti-dive." In what way do aftermarket chassis', such as the ones above, address these two problems?
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Someone said that the main problem with stock chassis' is the "excessive anti-squat and anti-dive." In what way do aftermarket chassis', such as the ones above, address these two problems?
There is a " definitive" thread that talks about suspension and links pinned in general somewhere. We're not drag racing so I don't know how important that is. I think raising the top link near the skid would do it though.

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Someone said that the main problem with stock chassis' is the "excessive anti-squat and anti-dive." In what way do aftermarket chassis', such as the ones above, address these two problems?
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This is a great read and a great stickied thread
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Old 08-07-2019, 03:04 PM   #20
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This is a great read and a great stickied thread

Yes, thanks! I managed to find that thread earlier this morning. It's great. I guess then, these aftermarket chassis' don't actually do anything to alleviate or make adjustment of dive/squat easier. It sounds like even with these chassis' your on your own to dial dive/squat in or out. In the end what you get with them is, in certain situations, more clearance and shock tuning options and that's about it.

I also found this thread.

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