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Jim511 04-04-2007 08:26 PM
Do you think we can get a company to do this?
 
Hey guys, I'm not sure if this has come up or not, but I was thinking. Do you think that we can find a company to make a mold of the bruiser body, and than produce us lexan replica's? Sure it would be no hard body, but don't you think a lexan body would be great? Especially considering that it will be somewhat cheaper than the price bruiser bodies are going for nowadays. Any comments/suggestions/calling me an idiot welcome.

Thorsteenster 04-04-2007 08:30 PM
im gonna say no, if it hasnt happened yet i doubt it. theres been alot of talk about people doing it but so far its just that, talk.

Jim511 04-04-2007 08:43 PM
Thats kinda what I figured, Im sure that people will have licensing issues, but I figured Id bring it up. Im sure we might be able to talk proline into some sort of toyota looking pickup

RockRacer1 04-04-2007 10:18 PM
Ive herd of people vaccum forming thier own bodies .

FrankyRizzo 04-04-2007 11:04 PM
Rockwerks is working on it.

run2jeepn 04-05-2007 05:42 AM
I wonder if anyone will make a YJ with a Molded in Hardtop? One that looks like a Short Wheel base Wrangler. Unlike the HPI Ruby Body. It's just looks like an Unlimited..

1BadJeepBruiser 04-05-2007 07:19 AM
Its been talked about for YEARS... myself being the huge Bruiser fan I am stopped holding my breath years ago....otherwise I would have got dead :lol:

Brandon 04-05-2007 10:26 AM
Its happening, by a few vendors here "thumbsup" Its just a long process sadly

freetimecrawler 04-05-2007 10:29 AM
Too bad the guy making the XJ body from Germany wouldn't make one.
Can you imagine one as nice as that XJ he makes :shock::shock:

chivas72 04-05-2007 11:05 AM
lexan liberty lexan yj ? ? ?

i'm lisitening

IronOx 04-05-2007 11:41 AM
who isn't bro

Grizzly4x4 04-05-2007 12:10 PM
Making the molds and forming bodies is a long frustrating process. I lost an original Proline CJ8 body cuz it was used to make the mold for the repops Unimoger sold. The mold ruined my body and it turned out to be a losing battle.
That's why we don't have any more CJ8 repops. Good luck to Rockwerks though, I hope he gets it.

theshimonator 04-05-2007 12:25 PM
its best to make one out of wood.
thats what i do in school.

DJEEPER 04-05-2007 02:26 PM
A lightweight wood body hand carved would be the craziest thing ever! id pay for that.

maybe make a body out of thin sheet metal so that you can get realistic body damage:D

Thorsteenster 04-05-2007 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJEEPER (Post 658909)
A lightweight wood body hand carved would be the craziest thing ever! id pay for that.
maybe make a body out of thin sheet metal so that you can get realistic body damage:D
both have allready been done, a balsa scout not too long ago as well as alu cooking pan bodies.

theshimonator 04-05-2007 03:38 PM
now thats just cool. i dont think i'd have the patients too do that!

beequewl 04-19-2007 10:59 AM
Here is a possibility...


http://www.printo3d.com/default.html

Rockpiledriver 04-19-2007 11:10 AM
The biggest obstacle is liscensing. If someone makes on I can guarantee Toyota will go after you for fees. We are not talking small fees we are talking hundreds of thousands of dollars. This is the reason many popular bodies have been discontinued.

It's sad really. If the major automotive companies eased up some, they would be getting a bunch of advertising for next to nothing. I just don't get it, since these things would not be competeing with them in any way, and could even generate some revenue for them as apposed to none due to the redicules fees. :roll:

rockwerks 04-19-2007 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by theshimonator (Post 658768)
its best to make one out of wood.
thats what i do in school.
not for production use, its fine if you only do like 1 an hour. wood is not temperature stable. and can change shape with humidity and dryness. wood iis in the bottom 10% fo products to use for long term vac forming use

rockwerks 04-19-2007 11:24 AM
there are ways around lisencing issues, bodies over 17 years old, a little more generic version, name changes etc.

take a bruiser for example. it would be impossible to vac form an exact copy.

Just aint gonna happen, the body is undercut, too much detail around the windows, grill etc. The older yota like truck we will produce will be similar to the late 70's truck

the bodies that are close

J10 style
bruiser style
cropped cj8 style

davway 05-24-2007 04:36 AM
if anyone were serious enough to do it, all they need is an original hard body to 3D scan and duplicates can be then made from ABS, lexan, or other types of materials.
i have been looking around the last few days and found some companies that will perform these tasks for a few hundred dollars.
they will even give you a mold you can cast from if thats what you want.

Katan 05-24-2007 05:30 AM
I currently have an experienced lexan body maker working on a Bruiser(Mountaineer) body repro. I dont know how long it is going to take but hopefully will be available this year. This was the reason behind the hilux badges I helped scaleoffroad with.

Andysbodys: I would be willing to donate a Bruiser body if my current project is not successful.

skidooguymxz550 05-24-2007 05:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andysbodys (Post 714663)
Hey I'll do it. In fiberglass or carbon fiber.

I'd love to remake the Bruiser, Hi Lux, Mountineer, and Blazing Blaser bodys.

I spent about a month wasting time vaccum bagging, trying different molds ect until I came up with my own way force out the excess resin.

Below is a photo of a RC18t body I made from blue ssg "glass" also notice it is under cut in several spots vents, rollbars, bumpers and its molded top and underside.

Proline makes the body in lexan if you like it, these are not for sale Proline owns the rights to the pattern.

http://i17.tinypic.com/4t71qit.jpg
http://i13.tinypic.com/61oec8l.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/5445nbr.jpg
http://i18.tinypic.com/638i2av.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/6gmj23k.jpg
Blue ssg compared to fiberglass.

Here is a pattern I made from fiberglass of the J8 jeep.
http://i16.tinypic.com/4kbdhmp.jpg

Short bed 72
http://i7.tinypic.com/4le448l.jpg

If you want to vaccum form bodys make the mold from hydro stone you can find it at your local gypsum supply house. Its awesome stuff and hard as ellh. Below is a photo of the mold I made for forming Vintage Boomerang bodys. You just mix it up and pour it into the original. I still have the original this mold was taken from, you'd never know I made a mold from it. And ist real fast, I made this in one day.
http://i15.tinypic.com/4tisgb8.jpg

I really dont think lexan is the way to go, the fiberglass and carbon can be treated like a tamiya hard body. and far more detail can be incorporated.

If I had the original parts in my hand I could have several copies in 2-4 months.

Questions? Ideas?

How sweet would carbonfiber axles housings be?

Any body want to voulnteer body parts?

Andy
andysbodys on eBay

those body's are some of the most impressive things i've ever seen!!"thumbsup"
but how is there strength? if i roll one or crash one doesn't carbon fiber tend to be brittle?

you should make a vette touring car body in fiberglass:D

theshimonator 05-24-2007 06:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidooguymxz550 (Post 714781)
those body's are some of the most impressive things i've ever seen!!"thumbsup"
but how is there strength? if i roll one or crash one doesn't carbon fiber tend to be brittle?

you should make a vette touring car body in fiberglass:D
i don't think it's brittle because they use it on acing cars and stuff but it is very light and alot stronger than you'd expect.

scaleoffroad 05-24-2007 09:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by davway (Post 714766)
if anyone were serious enough to do it, all they need is an original hard body to 3D scan and duplicates can be then made from ABS, lexan, or other types of materials.
i have been looking around the last few days and found some companies that will perform these tasks for a few hundred dollars.
they will even give you a mold you can cast from if thats what you want.
Hi,
maybe the prices between Europe and Australia for 3D scanning and rapid prototyping are a little bit different .... but can you please tell me the company in Australia who can make me a 3D scan of a detailed hardbody and a rapid prototyping mould in 1/10 scale for a few hundred dollars!
Then I can use the few thousand dollars I save for the first class flight to australia "thumbsup"

Thank you
Stefan

TwistedXT 05-24-2007 06:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim511 (Post 658133)
Hey guys, I'm not sure if this has come up or not, but I was thinking. Do you think that we can find a company to make a mold of the bruiser body, and than produce us lexan replica's? Sure it would be no hard body, but don't you think a lexan body would be great? Especially considering that it will be somewhat cheaper than the price bruiser bodies are going for nowadays. Any comments/suggestions/calling me an idiot welcome.
3 words.....
Coryright Infringment Lawsuits...

dont hold your breath.:oops:

TOYUTAH 05-30-2007 12:10 PM
Ya I actually run the rapid prototype area at my work, so I could build an exact replica, but it wouldn't be very strong, but you could cast it and use it as a mold or something

Kanzai 05-31-2007 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedXT (Post 715393)
3 words.....
Coryright Infringment Lawsuits...

dont hold your breath.:oops:
Exactly what he said.


But, there isn't a law on making a Hi-Lux from scratch is there? :?:

kodiakman 05-31-2007 05:14 PM
If you make a copy.Give it away for free and charge $60 for shipping and handling thats all.You might be able to do that?

rockwerks 06-01-2007 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiakman (Post 721758)
If you make a copy.Give it away for free and charge $60 for shipping and handling thats all.You might be able to do that?
no you can't you are still distributing a copyrighted product. I am changing substantially the bodies I will soon be producing, to keep away from infringement

Cloak 06-01-2007 10:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockwerks (Post 722255)
no you can't you are still distributing a copyrighted product. I am changing substantially the bodies I will soon be producing, to keep away from infringement
You know you have my attention with that middle bit. :)

rockwerks 06-01-2007 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloak (Post 722370)
You know you have my attention with that middle bit. :)
getting close, in the middle of remodel of the garage and building a shed to give me room to work:roll: and adding a dedicated line for power so the compressor and welder dont bleed down the power while running

TOYUTAH 06-01-2007 10:45 AM
Ya that will be sweet! You should be able to make it at least look like it like proline did with the bushwacker. Or I guess we could always just say they're original bruiser bodies that we've had all along!

Andysbodys 06-04-2007 04:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockwerks (Post 722374)
getting close, in the middle of remodel of the garage and building a shed to give me room to work:roll: and adding a dedicated line for power so the compressor and welder dont bleed down the power while running


Have any pictures of your progress, molds, patterns ect?

rockwerks 06-04-2007 04:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andysbodys (Post 725856)
Have any pictures of your progress, molds, patterns ect?

No none will ever be posted, security reasons. I currently have 3 mold ready and 5 in the works

davway 06-04-2007 08:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03durtymax (Post 720328)
Ya I actually run the rapid prototype area at my work, so I could build an exact replica, but it wouldn't be very strong, but you could cast it and use it as a mold or something
finally....someone that is thinking on the same wave length.


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