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bustedcrawler 01-20-2008 05:00 PM

Any idea on the lead time to get the 10T puller back in stock, or should I just run a 7T for now?

JohnRobHolmes 01-20-2008 05:04 PM

You should probably just get the 7t for now. I was hoping to have them in stock within two weeks, but if I do that I won't be able to pay the bills until I sell off some inventory.

Rckcrwlr 01-24-2008 06:38 AM

John,
Your PM's are full...I need to talk to ya...;-)

John

bRIBEGuy 01-28-2008 05:18 PM

ACK!!!

Went to order up a 5t motor today, and they're OUT OF STOCK!!!!!!!!!!!

:( :( :(

I know this is a long shot, but any chance we'll be seeing these in the near future again?

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 07:58 PM

You will be seeing them, but I need to sell more sidewinders to get cash back. Lots of inventory, no cash to buy more right now!

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 08:09 PM

As far as the 5T w/ MM, BEC, and Spektrum on 6 cell elites its a no go. It will run normal for 5 mins but after that.... The amp draw of the motor is to much and it is kicking my receiver into fail safe. Atleast that is what we figured out at Unimogers at the shop day. If im missing something JRH let me know. Im gonna tear my 6 cell packs apart and make an 8 cell to see if this helps. If not I guess its time for lipo.

bRIBEGuy 01-28-2008 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberhog05 (Post 1028986)
As far as the 5T w/ MM, BEC, and Spektrum on 6 cell elites its a no go. It will run normal for 5 mins but after that.... The amp draw of the motor is to much and it is kicking my receiver into fail safe.

Now that seems odd...........and fairly disheartening since I was planning on running a 5T off a 6 cell pack (GP3300 or Elite 4500).


Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes (Post 1028962)
You will be seeing them, but I need to sell more sidewinders to get cash back. Lots of inventory, no cash to buy more right now!

Hmmmmm...........maybe I should just drop a 4600KV Sidewinder into my Kyosho Blizzard! That should be good for a few giggles.......LOL. Actually, I would consider it, except I'm almost positive the ESC wouldn't fit under the body shell.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 08:43 PM

Im using a split 6 cell elite1500's. You should be fine I would assume

bRIBEGuy 01-28-2008 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberhog05 (Post 1029056)
Im using a split 6 cell elite1500's. You should be fine I would assume

Ahhh, that makes more sense...........

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 08:56 PM

Cyberhog,

I replied to your email too. My guess is that the cells may be bad, but more voltage won't hurt any. If they are new, then the motor is in fact too much for the cells.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 08:59 PM

Are you talking about the email from slobin3d? I havnt heard from him yet. It must be that the cells are much to small. I have 2 brand new packs and they both do the same thing. I am only getting 15 min run times also. Light on the throttle.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 11:19 PM

so do you think I should bother trying 8 cells or just get into lipo? I put a axiom v10 in and it sucks compared to the cobalt. I knew it wouldnt be near as good but my god! Its like going from a geo 4cyl to a blowin doge charger! I cant deal with a loss like that!

Anybody who is thinking about getting one of the cobalts....Dont hesitate. you see one for sale BUY IT!

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 11:25 PM

8 cells will give a better voltage, but you will still be beating on the cells pretty hard. A lipo would be good, you will hold a better average voltage. How much space do you have to work with?

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 11:28 PM

pretty much just have my front axle to work with

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 11:29 PM

See if this is too big:

http://holmeshobbies.com/product.php...&cat=10&page=1

I have some better cells on the way too. Lower mah, same size, better burst.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 11:35 PM

that would be pushing it! I am going to have to make a new servo bracket and get my servo moved over to accomidate a lipo. Ill make one tonight and see what exact room I will have. I think for the sake of my mental stability I might as well go the lipo route. I cant find a way to get around it. I have to run the cobalt now that I have seen it run. And it wasnt to its full potential. Thats the great part. Thanks Mr. Holmes

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 11:38 PM

You could also try putting two of your packs in parallel to see if it helps, just as a test.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 11:41 PM

Ahhh make it 12 cell! I am not by any means good with electronics. running it parallel do I just put the two red together and the two blacks together. Basically connect the leads?

JohnRobHolmes 01-28-2008 11:44 PM

Yep, blacks with blacks, red with red. It will be 6 cells voltage, but twice the amperage available. Runtime may not be double since the motor may take more amperage.

cyberhog05 01-28-2008 11:45 PM

I will give it a shot! thanks again"thumbsup"

cyberhog05 01-29-2008 02:28 PM

Will it harm anything because this set up running parallel is sweet. Can I leave it?

JohnRobHolmes 01-29-2008 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberhog05 (Post 1029984)
Will it harm anything because this set up running parallel is sweet. Can I leave it?

Wont hurt a thing.

bustedcrawler 02-10-2008 01:47 PM

John, I just got my 7T puller installed in my TXT with a GD600 running 85:1 reduction and a 6 cell pack. WOW :shocked: this motor is nice! Can't wait to see it on 8 or 10 cells when I get the new packs built. I have a 10T preordered in case the 7T isn't happy pushing around a 12-15lb truck.

Thanks again for the awesome motors!!

JohnRobHolmes 02-10-2008 01:52 PM

That should be enough reduction to keep it pretty happy. Just make sure you use stout cells to keep up with the amp draw requirements. Otherwise the packs will wear fast and the performance could suffer.

bustedcrawler 02-10-2008 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnRobHolmes (Post 1046873)
That should be enough reduction to keep it pretty happy. Just make sure you use stout cells to keep up with the amp draw requirements. Otherwise the packs will wear fast and the performance could suffer.

Right now I am running Intellect 4200 maH sub-c batteries right now.

JohnRobHolmes 03-24-2008 04:56 PM

Just put a few up on the site of the 5, 7, and 10t versions. The 10t is indeed faster than a 35t handwound 540, just did some testing to confirm this.

Basically even the 10t is faster and more powerful than any other crawling motor!

TxCruzr 03-26-2008 01:19 PM

did i already miss out again on the 10t pullers? site shows them out of stock :-(

JohnRobHolmes 03-26-2008 06:43 PM

Yes, the 10t version is gone until the next production run. The 7t will be available for a bit longer.

TxCruzr 03-26-2008 07:05 PM

do you have an ETA for the 10t's? I think a 7t might be too much speed after watching that video for the 10t on your site, haha i might kill myself if it goes any faster :lol:

JohnRobHolmes 03-26-2008 07:30 PM

You could always just use a lower voltage, like 6 cells nimh or 2 cell lipo. Heck, even 4 or 5 cells would work. It could be a year or more before the next production run, and when that happens the prices will go up. The inventory I am selling is actually a few years old so the cost of manufacturing was lower and the $$ was stronger.

TxCruzr 03-26-2008 07:43 PM

Just reread the thread and saw that these were limited and you were trying to bring them back, that's pretty cool.
The 7t's also show out of stock but if you have one I'd like to relieve you of it's burden, and a 6 cell 1500mah saddle pack. Was going to send you a pm but I think it's broke ;-)

rdtshaw 03-27-2008 10:13 AM

Are these colbalt motors the ones that have that distinct whining sound? Not complaining about the sound, just wondering. :) If not which one is that? I saw a few rigs at the last comp with that noisy motor, but they had great low speed and nice wheel speed.

Cheers,

Rob

Offroader5 03-29-2008 05:17 PM

Just installed a 7T into my WK Widow. This thing kicks _______ <---enter any expletive :lol:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v1...h__MG_4218.jpg

And just in case you're still doubting or don't believe what has already been said about these motors, I'll do the math for you....

6 pound 2.2 rig + HH Cobalt Puller 7T + Delrin 48p spur gear mated with steel pinion gear + 9 cell Elite pack + Mamba Max + grippy Losi Claws + heavy throttle finger = weak link goes bye bye
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v1...h__MG_4219.jpg

I have never stripped a spur gear in any electric car I have owned, including some brushless one's...so this definitely surprised me. Time to switch back to 32 pitch gears and might even go hardened now. "thumbsup"

rockwood330 03-29-2008 10:27 PM

so no more pullers for a while hu ?

JohnRobHolmes 03-30-2008 09:53 AM

I will have some more 7t's coming in within a few weeks.

Offroader- thats some spur stripping power ! :D

mann0mann 04-03-2008 12:30 AM

Can someone help me out with a reccomendation?

I have a new 2.2 AX-10 build. I wasn't sure what I had in store and a few weeks ago I ordered a Cobalt 10T just in case (glad I did...)

In any case, the more I've gone along with this build...the more I'm questioning whether using this with what I have in store makes sense.

AX-10 tranny (stock 14/87)
AX-10 Axles
Rooster Crawler Edition ESC
2 Cell Thunder Power 1320 Lipo (7.4v)

The battery will give up 17 amps constant and 27 amps burst.

I've got no experience with Cobalts. So I don't know what the current draw is.

So couple questions -

1.) Is this motor too much for this battery?

2.) Approx. runtime?

3.) Should I gear down?

4.) I honestly would prefer to have runtime and smooth throttle response more than anything else. I am not competing at any level, this is for fun right now.

Would I be better off with a 35T/45T traditional brushed motor for this application?

Thanks

-Mike

jackal 69 04-03-2008 12:55 AM

mike, get a goat system, smooth and great run times, my colbolts are battery hungry but i love em

holycaveman 04-05-2008 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mann0mann (Post 1124927)
Can someone help me out with a reccomendation?

I have a new 2.2 AX-10 build. I wasn't sure what I had in store and a few weeks ago I ordered a Cobalt 10T just in case (glad I did...)

In any case, the more I've gone along with this build...the more I'm questioning whether using this with what I have in store makes sense.

AX-10 tranny (stock 14/87)
AX-10 Axles
Rooster Crawler Edition ESC
2 Cell Thunder Power 1320 Lipo (7.4v)

The battery will give up 17 amps constant and 27 amps burst.

I've got no experience with Cobalts. So I don't know what the current draw is.

So couple questions -

1.) Is this motor too much for this battery?

2.) Approx. runtime?

3.) Should I gear down?

4.) I honestly would prefer to have runtime and smooth throttle response more than anything else. I am not competing at any level, this is for fun right now.

Would I be better off with a 35T/45T traditional brushed motor for this application?

Thanks

-Mike

I am runnning a 5t And the 1500 elites don't cut it. Very short run times. I am running sub C's now. MAN what a difference in power!! I believe the cobalts can pull some serious amps. It ran very strong on the 1500 elites, but there is no comparason to the sub c batteries. A 5t on 6 sub c's is too much really. There is quite a difference between the 10 t and 5 t also. The 5t packs alot more power per volt. The 10t is smoother at a crawl. So we will be going to 8 cells with 9tooth pinions. that should do the trick. Way too much wheel speed anyways. With 6 sub C's over the axles, and 6 in tires 3/4 full of air softs, it still pulls the wheels off the ground by nailing it. Now thats something"thumbsup"

TK421 04-06-2008 07:20 AM

Does anyone happen to know if this will fit in a DMG DCV Pro with an AX10 tranny. This looks like a wicked awesome motor. I hear it is dead smooth too.

Lou

CONTRACTED2KILL 04-06-2008 01:35 PM

I REALLY NEED A COBALT PULLER MOTOR - DMIT!!!! i have a slow a@@ 55 tooth novak motor in my blackjack that is fully loded except the engine !!!! what am i suppose to do????? i do not want any other motor other then a cobalt !!!! will u please tell me when they are in stock i have a paypal witing for one , (or two ) if you have them


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