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Old 08-21-2012, 03:40 PM   #721
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These are going to be nice! I cannot wait
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Old 08-21-2012, 03:45 PM   #722
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After the motors are finalized on basic spec, I will get a new endbell injection molded to my design. Right now I'm waffling on whether to use my own brushes on the 500, or to use standard 540 brushes. Probably go with standard brushes on the 500 and 400, and use my own design on the 540 and 600 Pullers.
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Old 08-21-2012, 05:55 PM   #723
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Just a bit more work before I retire for the evening. This motor has a bit of error on the faceplate (bearing interior instead of exterior) so it turned out a smidge longer than a normal 540. Startup is like a regular 540 with the armature I am testing now. I have another armature that will start much smoother though. Figured a "worst case" is always a good place to start.


50% magnet coverage
2000kv
1.9a no load @4v
4.5 ounces on the nose
30.8mm diameter

Compared to a TorqueMaster 27t
1900kv
1.6a no load @4v
6.41 ounces
35.8mm diameter



A pretty good start to a new product line! I'll try to knock out another one or two tomorrow so I can compare various magnet layouts.
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Its awesome to finally see these become a reality.

Great work John
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Old 08-22-2012, 12:26 AM   #725
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Its awesome to finally see these become a reality.

Great work John
X2! Absolutely can't wait!
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Must have!!!!!!!!!!
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Oooh!!! Me likey. Must have
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Gotta knock out a few more protos before I settle on the best fit for the 500 size. Then we move on to the 3.5 ounce 400


This is the smaller version on the far right, one of the multiple designs I have for the Puller 500. It is .2ounce less than the heavy version (4.3 ounce total with heavy arm), uses a full size 540 armature, but has a slightly higher speed for the same wind. Detent torque is also higher than a standard 540 with the intended armature, but not by much. I'll have to test a set to see if startup is good enough compared to the big version. As you can see they are quite a bit smaller! That is the tradeoff for going super tiny, startup has to suffer if we want strong drag and torque.

60% magnet coverage
2000kv
2.6a no load @4v
4.3 ounces
28.5mm diameter


So now I get the fun job of having to choose one design before we make the mold, which means sending some out for testing and putting a pair in some of my rigs. The best part!!
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If you want we can call my rig your testing grounds Haha jk man.. I am really looking forward to this!!! and i know it will be worth the wait
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Old 08-27-2012, 04:40 PM   #730
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ANy idea on when I get to send you money? I would love to put one of these in the Rat Rod for Nationals.
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Looking forward to seeing these in person at Nats if you've got them handy
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i'll need to finish up a few more protos before we can do an alpha run and offer them to the public. Should be a few weeks.
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Sweet! Thank you Sir. Hopefully I still have funds and time before nationals.
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Gotta knock out a few more protos before I settle on the best fit for the 500 size. Then we move on to the 3.5 ounce 400


This is the smaller version on the far right, one of the multiple designs I have for the Puller 500. It is .2ounce less than the heavy version (4.3 ounce total with heavy arm), uses a full size 540 armature, but has a slightly higher speed for the same wind. Detent torque is also higher than a standard 540 with the intended armature, but not by much. I'll have to test a set to see if startup is good enough compared to the big version. As you can see they are quite a bit smaller! That is the tradeoff for going super tiny, startup has to suffer if we want strong drag and torque.

60% magnet coverage
2000kv
2.6a no load @4v
4.3 ounces
28.5mm diameter


So now I get the fun job of having to choose one design before we make the mold, which means sending some out for testing and putting a pair in some of my rigs. The best part!!
im in!!! thanks for the chance! hit me up boss!
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Old 08-30-2012, 06:31 PM   #735
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Did some more testing on magnet layouts while I had a few minutes today. I managed to get the startup equal to a torquemaster 540 with an OFF THE SHELF armature The weight got pushed up to 4.8 ounces on the heavy version. The lighter armature drops it to 4.5 ounces. Lighter version is still 4.3 and 4.0 ounces, and I need to test if the new magnet layout transfers over with the same results. My guess is no.

To sum it up I put MORE magnets in the motor and got even better startup. Figure that one out This isn't theory any longer, now we are just polishing the details to get the fine shine on it


My winder just finished up some v2 armatures so we can see how much better startup gets over an off the shelf version, they are yet untested. v1 armatures are showing slightly worse startup than a TorqueMaster with the new magnet layout. In laymans terms, each armature style likes specific magnet layouts.


To throw a wrench in all of this, I also have my own armature design to test. I will be sending off the design to a lamination house after nationals and get the stacks pressed and coated in california. The commutator is already selected, a company in France makes a great "off the shelf" comm that looks very well suited for our needs. If my stator shape works better than the relatively standard ones I am using, there won't be a part left on the production units (besides brushes) that I haven't designed. This isn't a pissing contest though, so I will choose the parts that are the best value for the performance so it isn't a $200+ motor.




Costs are still looking to be right around $100- $125 per motor with standard armatures, even for protos and alpha runs.



Next up, 400 Puller. The 400 puller will cost a bit less, and is still weighing in about 3.5 ounces. Armatures are in the oven now
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I had a few minutes to work on designing the next part of the Puller line, Sealed endbells! If I am going to design the endbell, might as well make it the kind we need most on the first shot. I just laid out the general shape and clearances. I have not checked draft angles yet. There will be two little holes to pass the wire out of the endbell. Right now I am not settled on a fully enclosed version VS one with a little hole in the back to help remove the bearing. What do you think?

I may pop one of these out in carbon fiber or kevlar tube just for giggles. It would look swank!
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And work for this weekend, some simplified designs.
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Old 09-01-2012, 03:53 PM   #738
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Oh my! I can't wait to get my hands on one of these, might go back to brushed on most of my rigs...
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Old 09-01-2012, 04:26 PM   #739
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Just finished up the first Puller 400 proto, v1. 3.5 ounces on the nose will the heavy armature and full hardware! So we are back to the OG 454 weight area, but with a higher torque density design. As shown is missing a few screws and hasn't had the shaft trimmed. Final weight will be lighter because of the shaft length. Startup is equal to the TorqueMaster motors, and I have another armature here that will make startup better if needed. Like the other motors I will have a few different protos before settling on the best magnet and armature combination.


Quite a few people have asked for this type of motor. Personally I don't think it would suit my driving style as I like a torque dense motor. So the next protos are going to be the Puller 520 and 540 versions for those power crazy people like myself All the parts are here, designs are made, just need to wind and assemble them. They should fall at 4 and 6.5 ounces.
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Size comparison. Now I am going to a cabin with the wife, so I will pick up where I left off on monday! Have a great weekend!
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