X-factor axles or Twin Force

[Flatty]

Which axles sohuld I base my whole rig around? I want to run a custom chassis, and then put the rest together around it. Would I be better off just buying a truck,a nd building off there?

Dima

[mike]

this question has been asked before so search.

[Flatty]

Originally Posted by mike

this question has been asked before so search.

What is this, the pirate of RC wheeleing? I am searching as youread this.

Dima

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by Flatty

What is this, the pirate of RC wheeleing? I am searching as youread this.

Dima

Yes,you could say this is the Pirate of RC. So go search your ass off








Just razzin......I bought a Twin Force kit and build a custom tube chassis. I used the Twin axles,tranny,shocks and most of the hardware. This is what I came up with..........












I've just got done building a new chassis which is very simular to this one but I don't have pics yet. I'm also building another crawler for my son and I'm using a Twin Force kit. I'm really pleased with the Kyosho stuff. You could buy axles (any make or model) alone and go with it,alot of guys do that. I like buying the kits cuz you get alot of things that are very usefull. You pay about the same pieceing it together or buying a kit. Buying a kit saves alot of running around.

A TXT is probly the best "out of the box" crawler but the axles aren't as stout as the Twin or X-Factor. Stouter axles means bigger meats ;)

[moonbuggy]

Originally Posted by raptorman57

A TXT is probly the best "out of the box" crawler but the axles aren't as stout as the Twin or X-Factor. Stouter axles means bigger meats ;)

Have you ever looked inside a txt axle? It is just as built up as the x-f, but the knuckles could use some work, and they are a bit narrow. That said, the x-f axles are easy to use because they have all of the 4-link mounts already built in and the t-f axles don't.

[mnstrbetle]

There is room for mounting four links on a TF axle, you just cut off the stock plastic trailing arms and rotate the sleeve about 180 degrees and there ya go, mount your four links where the shocks used to mount.

Seems at first the x factor axles were the hot ticket with the bigger crawlers but I have noticed that alot of pople are starting to use the twin force axles more often. I have even read several times that the TF axles are more robust then x factor axles.

Just my .02

[glondark]

Originally Posted by Flatty

What is this, the pirate of RC wheeleing? I am searching as youread this.

Dima

HEY DIMA!!!

LOL no kidding. The way I see it in the RC world you got 2 schools. Clod guys and "shafties" It's like Jeep guys and toyota guys, everyone thinks theirs is better and will argue until their little typing fingers fall off.

That being said, I am using X-factor axles, with a rock raider chassis, Emaxx transmission and Revo driveshafts. Running twin 540 turn motors, with twin gear reduction boxes, 12 tooth pinions and a 72 tooth spur gear. Works great, just waiting for my hi-torque servo to show up. I chose to go with the tranny/shaft/axle method cause I think it's cool to have more of a realistic crawler. Plus I found a great deal on one. I'll get some pics tonight hopefully and post em up.

[SR5Dave]

Originally Posted by Flatty

What is this, the pirate of RC wheeleing? I am searching as youread this.

Dima

It kind of is ;) But remember, you have the right to call Mike a newbie too

I would say TF axles, from what I've heard they are just beef, but they don't have provisions for 4-link mounts, so you'd have to work up something. I know RC Alloys is going to start selling some, check this thread here:
Project Crawler. F/X 12005 (56K WARNING) Update 1/21

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by moonbuggy

Have you ever looked inside a txt axle? It is just as built up as the x-f, but the knuckles could use some work, and they are a bit narrow.

Well,no I haven't looked inside a TXT axle. How big are the drive cups,ring and pinion,axles shafts and such compaired? The TXT is 1:10 scale,the Twin and (I think) the X-factor are 1:8 scale. I would imagine that would mean everythings built bigger. I would like to know,just out of curiosity.

Originally Posted by moonbuggy

the x-f axles are easy to use because they have all of the 4-link mounts already built in and the t-f axles don't.

Originally Posted by SR5Dave

I would say TF axles, from what I've heard they are just beef, but they don't have provisions for 4-link mounts,

But they do. Take the factory 2 link arm,cut the long side off,spin it 180 degrees so the 2 tabs pointing outward are pointing in,WALLA ,clean and stout link mounts. I have read that the X-factor link mounts are fairly weak and several guys have trouble breaking them. This is how I'm mounting links on my sons Twin axles. Heres a picture,you can clearly see the stout link mounts pointing foward on this stock axle............

[moonbuggy]

Originally Posted by raptorman57

Well,no I haven't looked inside a TXT axle. How big are the drive cups,ring and pinion,axles shafts and such compaired?

The axles in the txt ride on 6x12 bearings so the shaft is 6mm, If memory serves. I can't remember what the x-f rides on and I'm too lazy to take it apart just for that, but I think they are pretty similar. The housing is just as big as the x-f, just not as wide, but the knuckle mount isn't re-enforced as much as the x-f, and the x-f knuckles are metal. And as for the diff, I think the txt diffs are the most overbuilt on any truck, everything is metal, no plastic cup. Once one of my diffs became unlocked, and I was thinking oh great there goes $$ for the new parts, but upon inspection the jb-weld had turned into pouder and the diff internals were just fine. The bevel gears and tooth size is huge, not ever going to strip. But still for a big truck I don't think these are ideal because of their width, yes adaptors and offset rims can make 'em wider, but then the steering turns to crap.

Originally Posted by raptorman57

The TXT is 1:10 scale,the Twin and (I think) the X-factor are 1:8 scale. I would imagine that would mean everythings built bigger.

Ummm... I don't think that scale means anything with a monter truck.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by moonbuggy

Ummm... I don't think that scale means anything with a monter truck.

Ummmm..... The Emaxx is labled a 1:10 scale monster truck right. The Twin is labled a 1:8 scale monster truck right. When both rigs were stock,my Twin set next to my sons Emaxx it was noticably larger.

I'll agree,in 1:1,scale means nothing in monster trucks. I do believe though in a "scaled down" hobby that scale does mean something. If it didn't,why would they mark it as a certain "scale"?....................because of it's size................right

[moonbuggy]

Originally Posted by raptorman57

Ummmm..... The Emaxx is labled a 1:10 scale monster truck right. The Twin is labled a 1:8 scale monster truck right. When both rigs were stock,my Twin set next to my sons Emaxx it was noticably larger.

I'll agree,in 1:1,scale means nothing in monster trucks. I do believe though in a "scaled down" hobby that scale does mean something. If it didn't,why would they mark it as a certain "scale"?....................because of it's size................right

What I meant was that a manufacturer chooses the scale by what size the body and tires are. Component strength and size doesn't get factored in. Think f-350=big truck, and samuri=small truck, but what if the sami had 5 ton militry axles, and a 833ci stroker, it is still a smaller truck, but has stronger running gear. The txt has a bomb proof axle, while the x-f doesn't (ring gear strips), but the x-f is a larger truck. Ohh yeah the reason the e-maxx and t-maxx are labled 1:10 scale is becase they can fit a narrow 190mm body. While the x-f needs a bigger body to clear the side mounted shocks, and the t-f needs a bigger body to clear the batts on the side. And what if the maxx has kongs on it, the truck is the same size but would look massive next to an un-modded truck, because of the huge tires. That is why I don't think scale means anything with these trucks.

[diesel72]

The X-Factor does not need a larger body to clear the side mounted shocks, I run an Atomik f-350 t-maxx body on mine with no problems.

That Sami you mention wouldn't get far with its military axles and 833 ci stroker motor if the tranny and transfer case aren't also up to the task, so before too long, you start running out of space to fit it all under the body.

The scale thing is all arbitrary. What one manufacturer calls 10th scale, another calls 8th scale. It no longer has anything to do with size or motor or tires or anything else

[moonbuggy]

Originally Posted by diesel72

The X-Factor does not need a larger body to clear the side mounted shocks, I run an Atomik f-350 t-maxx body on mine with no problems.

When I ws looking for a new body for mine I found that no maxx body would fit except the h2. Seemed that everything would rub the shocks.

Originally Posted by diesel72

That Sami you mention wouldn't get far with its military axles and 833 ci stroker motor if the tranny and transfer case aren't also up to the task, so before too long, you start running out of space to fit it all under the body.

Don't be an ass, you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by diesel72

The scale thing is all arbitrary. What one manufacturer calls 10th scale, another calls 8th scale. It no longer has anything to do with size or motor or tires or anything else

That is my point