brushless ?

[paul j]

is it worth going brushless and if so what brand ?

[jared86]

absolutely! In my opinion anyway...I run the Novak system. Its amazing. I also have a mamba micro with tacon 4000 Kv which works well too but not as good as the Novak.

[paul j]

the novak mongoose if so where can i purchase one? can you use the sidewinder also?

[jared86]

You could use a sidewinder. Just bigger case that's why others run the micro but they all work. The mongoose system is available on Ebay, a main, .....many sites. Google it

[happymachinist]

Originally Posted by jared86

absolutely! In my opinion anyway...I run the Novak system. Its amazing. I also have a mamba micro with tacon 4000 Kv which works well too but not as good as the Novak.

I know they are more efficient but what other benifits did you notice over brushed? Or is it just a preference thing?


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[AxialJeepster]

you look at most high end MRC builds and you will see brushed systems in them all. well not ALL but brushed is better.

brushless system is hastle free and the battery last a tiny bit longer.

brushed systems get awesome wheel speed, even awesome-r low end control and is cheap. much better drag brake also.

brushed all the wee

a good combo is the axial AE-2 de-cased, cc bec and losi rx270 I think motor.on 3s.

[stelerzman]

Keep in mind that the brushed motors will need replacement brushes, so get a few set when you buy your motors, that is if you go brushed

Brushless, far better and less maintenance. Jmo.

[monsterz]

Having used a Holmes Mini brushed motor in the past, and now a Mongoose system, I prefer brushless in mine. It's got more wheelspeed and requires less maintenance, but it's not quite as smooth on startup torque, and the drag brake is more difficult to get used to. However, with proper gearing (11 or 12/66), those issues pretty much go away on the Mongoose. One other downside on the Mongoose, it is has a lot of wires to deal with, so it doesn't package as neatly.

[winnerone23]

Lol.. I run a Mongoose in my mini juice when a mini HH smoked cause of my cc micro esc.. now I run a mini HH on a fx-r in my mini mantis.. I highly prefer my mini HH, wheel speed isn't there but 3s takes care of that, if the course needs it... Everything else is better in the brushed motors.. ran a mini brood anarchy for a little bit even.. never a frenzy, or a insane so I can't help there. What I can say bout the Mongoose system is, it works! Without issue.. I'm running 14/60 with it on 2s, never really any issue of drag brake really that I ever noticed.. it a longer term system for sure.. so for comps I like brushed, if ur not goin to comp, the Mongoose system is the way to go for the long haul.. not that the Mongoose system can't comp.. it does a great job at that too..

So personal preferrence an what ur using it for.. an price, of course

[paul j]

thanks for the info

[happymachinist]

Sounds like brushed vs brushless is a Ford vs Chevy argument.


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[jared86]

Yes that's for sure. Ford vs. Chevy.

Depends what you're using it for, what you want it to do, your price, preference, and like the ford and Chevy argument they all have pros and cons.

[pmadrid13]

Here is my experience with the smaller (1/18 & 1/16) brushed and brushless systems, while trying to make a Mini Summit a decent want-to-be crawler:

BRUSHED
Better low torque control (no cogging)
Better braking
No idea on high speed, I did not care.
Cost less
More resistant to water
Higher maintenance

BRUSHLESS
Very difficult to control low torque (low to heavy cogging)
Decent Braking
Very good wheel speeds
More expensive
Less maintenance
Not too friendly with water

Are there any small sensored brushless systems?

[kunas]

Originally Posted by pmadrid13

Here is my experience with the smaller (1/18 & 1/16) brushed and brushless systems, while trying to make a Mini Summit a decent want-to-be crawler:

BRUSHED
Better low torque control (no cogging)
Better braking
No idea on high speed, I did not care.
Cost less
More resistant to water
Higher maintenance

BRUSHLESS
Very difficult to control low torque (low to heavy cogging)
Decent Braking
Very good wheel speeds
More expensive
Less maintenance
Not too friendly with water

Are there any small sensored brushless systems?

novak mongoose

[Psycho-Savvy]

The Mongoose esc is discontinued. It looks like the Timbuk2 is the replacement. The Novak 380 sensored motors are still available. My buddy has a Mongoose setup in his mrc and it is a sweet setup. It has plenty of power on 2s and the drag brake works awesome. I am in the process of doing the Timbuk2/380 in my mrc.

[pmadrid13]

Originally Posted by Psycho-Savvy

The Mongoose esc is discontinued. It looks like the Timbuk2 is the replacement. The Novak 380 sensored motors are still available. My buddy has a Mongoose setup in his mrc and it is a sweet setup. It has plenty of power on 2s and the drag brake works awesome. I am in the process of doing the Timbuk2/380 in my mrc.

Thanks for the info, I guess I was not looking hard enough.

I know many of you don't care much about Novak but I have never had a bad experience. Here is some info on the Novak Three 80's

I also e-mail Novak to see what is the current status for an esc that will run these motors.

[paul j]

i think im leaning towards the sidewinder micro or ae-2

[elsewhere]

tekin b1r is a sweet little esc too..
i ran one of those with a stump puller for a bit before i went mongoose..
the goose with the 66t spur is killer.

[winnerone23]

For ppl running the 66t spur mod.. what size pinion are you using? I ran the 66t with a brood anarchy 17t but don't find it needed, in anyway with the Mongoose system..

[rock hard]

most brushed motors ( insane and simulare ) are subpar...ok for having fun, but not for winning comps...I mean really, you shouldnt expect much from a 25 motor.

Some brushed motor for mrc's have proven very well. The holmes, brood, trinity mini moster, motormas1600's and a couple I could mention.
these brushed motors are worthy to place your trust to win comps, not just drive with them, but win with them.
brushed motors have issues, stuck brushes, broke, brushes, power hungry at times, need comms cleanned, cut, bearing cleanned, oiled, comm cleaned, brushes replaced.
IMO a brushed motor is not the best choice for anyone new to teh game, or who isnnt going to maintain it,

brushless motors..
these have some issues also, but not the kind that are gonna keep a new guy from winning...he still is learning.
they wont keep a seasoned driver from winning either, cuz he has learned already.

I saw yukon635, nabil, delmonte and many, many others make top5 and better with thier mongoose

it has issues, but they can be worked out for teh most part.
the only real issue is consistant brake hold...especially in a very technical downhill situation.

brushless is better than brushed for beginers...and works great for all, you just have to be aware of its shortcommings
to prevent them from costing you points...dont expect it to hold like a rock when you let off the gas and your good...


esc's
I have melted a b1r before, and seen 2 others melt. I have never had, or seen a micro sidwinder melt.
hell guys run 540 on them with 3s....tough esc.
mongoose esc was good for me, but I have seen one melt

my combo's
when new, I used monngoose with hitec 645 and no bec
then 17t brushed, b1r ( fried ) went to micro s.winder and futaba?????wired direct and no bec.

battery is as important as anything....you want alot of punch....so highest burst c rating you can get.