New Scaler rules

[xzk7nr]

Since the “national rules” for scaler are very vauge and complicated so here is my suggestion for the new scaler rules. Now these are just ideas I am totally open for any other idea’s

-For the points we follow most of what we are doing for 2.2 and super’s.
-We keep the one free reverse per gate
-if you can not finish a course you get the highest point of all competitors for that run +25 points for the DNF.
-a DNS will be the highest point total for each run +35 points per run
-repair rules apply from the 2.2’s and super
- This class is for the typical trail rigs, that you have modified quite a bit for off road.
- All 2.2" OEM tires are legal, any modified tire may only be 5.2" tall
- Track width can be NO more than 10.5" in the 2.2 class
- You must run an almost complete body. Some fender trimming is allowed but the basic shape must be retained.
- A shortened or lengthened body is allowable. A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of carrying a full-size spare laid flat (rear fender and tailgate rules to not apply to tubed beds).
- No 4 wheel steer or rear steer at all! if you have more than 2 axles, the FRONT axles are the ONLY ones that can steer.
- No " DIG " of any kind is allowed.
- Wheelbase is limited only by your body, and must fit in your fender wells.
- Vehicle must have a frame-railed chassis. Tubed frame rails are ok.
- Vehicle wheelbase needs to fit within the fender walls of the body.
- Vehicle battery must be mounted on the chassis. You cannot mount the battery above the steering servo/axle/upper links. The goal is to place the battery where it is not visible for a more scale appearance.
- Vehicle must run a full approved body. Fenders may be cut, but it must resemble a 1:1 rig you'd see on the street. "Iffy" Vehicles must be approved by the other MTRCRC members.
- You may add weight to your wheels, but you are only allowed a maximum of 12 TOTAL oz's. You can put it in whichever wheels you want, but 12 oz is the total

List of deductions
1. Hard body -5
2. Leaf sprung, 1 axle -2, both axles -5
3. Trailer " must be towed during entire comp " -5
4. Cooler, sleeping bags , tent, camping gear -1
5. Shovel , axe, hi-lift jack, tools, tamiya wrench, pick, jerry can -1
6. Spare tire, looks only -1
7. Spare tire" functional " -3
8. Winch for looks only -1
9. Winch functional - 3
10. L.E.D.'s of any kind, must be functional during comp -2
11. Tow strap, d-rings, snatch block -1
12. Bumpers, front -1 , rear -1, both -3
13. Tube frame, exo cage, tube bed, must be made of METAL -3
14. Roof rack, ladder rack, headache rack, must be made of metal -2
15. Boat or canoe, must be removable -3
16. Realistic interior -2
17. Un-modded OEM tires -3
18. Chassis mounted steering servo -5

" Max deduct points per rig is 25 "

[rock runt]

How do i get in touch with MTRCRC to verify an "iffy" body

Anyhow this should make things more clear. BUT I have a few questions

1. 1.9 rigs and 2.2 in the same class? With no deduction?
2. unmodded OEM tires. (example please)

If the deductions stand, my scout would be at -21 before I even turned a wheel? Also do the deductions count for each course?

How do you police the wheel weight issue? Yanking wheels and putting them on a scale might slow things down a bit?

Not trying to poo poo everything, just asking before we need to score again

Bob thanks for sorting this out.....not an easy task.

[xzk7nr]

Originally Posted by rock runt

How do i get in touch with MTRCRC to verify an "iffy" body

Anyhow this should make things more clear. BUT I have a few questions

1. 1.9 rigs and 2.2 in the same class? With no deduction?
2. unmodded OEM tires. (example please)

If the deductions stand, my scout would be at -21 before I even turned a wheel? Also do the deductions count for each course?

How do you police the wheel weight issue? Yanking wheels and putting them on a scale might slow things down a bit?

Not trying to poo poo everything, just asking before we need to score again

Bob thanks for sorting this out.....not an easy task.

I Coppied most of it from what the nationals were doing but just focusing on the point system. So yes i forgot to change it to MiRCA.

No matter what Rock your Scout (which by the way looks awsome)is always gonna kick our a$$'s in scale points unless we all spend the cash to keep up.

So I will reedit and repost them

[saul]

gonna have to use the honor system on the weight issue

unless somebody calls u out on your weights ...then we let things go

un modded tires means like on my hi lux....if i used the ones that shipped from the factory with my kit...and just glued em to my factory rims...no weights added

and i think we sould give some sort of bonus to our 1 1.9 truck runnin with our 2.2s

from what i have read on the other threads on the scale guys...u pretty much add up all your deductions...and that is what your truck starts with on each run it has

so yes...a -21 at the start of each course

[binaryterror]

Yes the scale deductions are per course or so I'm reading.

1.9's and 2.2's in our smaller class should run in the same and yes 1.9's need to get a -5 for deduction to even the playing field out.

I don't agree with no DIG...jeez most people with Atlas transfer cases in 1:1 (these happen to be hugely popular) can have dig...why can't a scaler?

I also think a Tube vehicle is as scale as it gets for rock crawling. Why could you not run a scale representation of a Tube Rock Buggy?

[hitman46mod]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

Yes the scale deductions are per course or so I'm reading.

1.9's and 2.2's in our smaller class should run in the same and yes 1.9's need to get a -5 for deduction to even the playing field out.

I don't agree with no DIG...jeez most people with Atlas transfer cases in 1:1 (these happen to be hugely popular) can have dig...why can't a scaler?

I also think a Tube vehicle is as scale as it gets for rock crawling. Why could you not run a scale representation of a Tube Rock Buggy?

I completly agree. Umm err if it's alright with everyone else.

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Look at all you pampered scaler guys :-( with all your deduction what the fawk.

[jeepfreek]

You can option a Dana 300 for a front only drive and a couple of other gear drive transfer cases as well. I did that with my 300 in my Jeep. They even make a free wheel hub to go on the rear output for my Samurai that would acomplish the same thing. If we use any other than the "national" rules you should keep track of that deduction as the last deduction. That way if anybody wants to remove that deduction pionts can be re tallied easily.

I'm still wanting to build a scaler for myself and one for Nick but not sure how you guys fell about a 1/6 scale rig? I plan on just a 2.2 for Nick but was going to use Tamiya S10 parts, they are leftovers, and what are the rules with 4 wheel independent suspensions?

[xzk7nr]

Originally Posted by JUSTGOINGSLOW

Look at all you pampered scaler guys :-( with all your deduction what the fawk.

thats why they call it a scaler......duh........

[xzk7nr]

Ok we will work on the over all rules but the guys from last week, do you agree with the points using the scoring from 2.2 and supers?

[saul]

i like what is posted

but i agree no dig on scalers

its sposed to be a modded every day driver and i dont think u would take an atlas trans down i75...not that i wouldnt mind it...but i would like to stay as close to the nats rules as we can

now for a -5 on the 1.9s runnin in the 2.2 scaler class...yes im all for that..they need something to give em a hand

[rcracer]

I'd like to add that an RTI should be used cause if the flex is out of scale then it's pointless.

[binaryterror]

Can I run this in Scale?

http://www.traxxas.com/products/elec...5/trx_5805.htm

[saul]

nope...cause its not street leagle in its 1:1 scale

[xzk7nr]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

Can I run this in Scale?

http://www.traxxas.com/products/elec...5/trx_5805.htm

isnt it also only 2WD?

[xzk7nr]

Since it is clear nobody likes the "national rules" here is a shot to
make up our own rules. Now I am trying to look at from a real world prospective. But at the same time tring to keep it fair fot those of us who dont have deep pockets. We still need to have some driving skill.

Heres how i see it, there should be really 2 classes, a "stock" class and an
"unlimited" class. But since we dont have enough people to really run 2 seperate classes heres my thinking is to try and accomidate everyone.
The point of the scale class is that its some thing that could real.

First and for most the rig must look scale! MiRCA memebers will make that determination of worthyness of running in scale class via a pic posted on the website or the day of the comp.

Scale Truck Rules and Specs
- Tires & Wheels
-Need to be modeled after a typical 1:1 off-road vehicles, street legal or not. MiRCA members will make ok a tire or not.
-Either 1.9 or 2.2 tires can be used. A bonus deduction will be given to people who use a
an unaltered 1.9 rim and unaltered 1.9 tire combo.
-Weights can be run in the tires.
- Chassis and Body
- The chassis must extend to at least the very front of the front axle and very rear of the rear
axle.
- Vehicle chassis must either be frame-railed, complete tube chassis("tuber"), or a comination of
both. Tubed frame rails are ok.
- Vehicle battery must be mounted on the chassis. The goal is to place the battery where
it is not visible for a more scale appearance.
- Wheelbase and track width is limited only by the scale look you are going for.
- Bodys must matain there basic shape. A tubed bed must have a functional bed area capable of
carrying a full-size spare stored in the vertical position (rear fender and tailgate rules
to not apply to tubed beds). Your body must resemble a 1:1 rig you'd see on the street.
Any "Iffy" Vehicles must be approved by the other MiRCA members.
- If your Chassis was designed or came with a hard body your can not get the Hard body deduction.
Axle, Steering and Drive train
- Any axle that gives a scale appreance will be aloud.
- clodbuster axles ar not
- 4 wheel steer is aloud but there will be a penilty of +5 for each use
- Rear "Dig" is aloud but there will be a penilty of +5 if used
- Nolimits to a type of sppension.
Points
We will follow,most of part, what what we are doing for 2.2 and super’s. See the RCCrawler
rules for those. Except for the following:
- We keep the one free reverse per gate
- There is no point out. You keep accuring points until you finish
- If you can not finish a course you get the highest point of all competitors for that run +25
points for the DNF.
- a DNS will be the highest point total for each run +35 points per run
- repair rules apply from the 2.2’s and super
- Apperance points will be deducted from your overall total.
- Max apperance points will be 20 per rig.
List of deductions
1. Hard body(that did not come or is a direct replacement for a kit) -5
2. Leaf sprung
1 axle -1
both axles -3
3. Trailer " must be towed during entire comp " -5
4. Assorted accesories -.5 each (max of 10 per rig)
Item must can must be held on by somthing other that glue, or velcro.
Ex1: To get points for a cooler it must be held down like you would
in the real world. So you must use bunji cord to hold it in place
EX2: A highlift jack will probably be bolted down. Glueing it to the
body will not be accepted.
EX2 An item will only be scored once. So if you have 2 Jerry cans you
get points for only one.
Items can include but not limited to: Cooler, sleeping bags , tent,
camping gear, Shovel, axe, hi-lift jack, tools, tamiya wrench, pick,
jerry can, usable tow strap, d-rings, snatch block, a looks only
spare tire and thing along those lines.
5. Spare tire" functional " -1
6. Winch for looks only -1 (does not inlude some thing molded into your body)
7. Winch functional - 2
8. L.E.D.'s of any kind, must be functional during comp -2
9. Bumpers (not part of your body), front -1 , rear -1, both -3
10. Tube frame, exo cage, tube bed, must be made of METAL -3
11. Roof rack, ladder rack, headache rack, must be made of metal -2
12. Boat or canoe, must be removable -3
13. Realistic interior -2
14. Un-modded OEM tires -3
15. Running 1.9 Tires
16. Chassis mounted steering servo -5

[JUSTGOINGSLOW]

Meeting this Saturday 12:OO at Gary's so we can go over all the rules in scale class!!!

All the scale guy's should try to make it, so this gets straightened out before the next comp.

[xzk7nr]

Originally Posted by JUSTGOINGSLOW

Meeting this Saturday 12:OO at Gary's so we can go over all the rules in scale class!!!

All the scale guy's should try to make it, so this gets straightened out before the next comp.

yes or my house will work too

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by saul

nope...cause its not street leagle in its 1:1 scale

All it would need is headlights and Taillights and a CORR2 truck could be made street legal...

[binaryterror]

oopsssssssssssss