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05-09-2009, 07:43 AM
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| RCC Addict  Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Minnehopeless
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|  2010 rules
The rules committee is getting an early start on the 2010 rules. Please post up any changes you would like to see addressed. Thanks.
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05-09-2009, 07:46 AM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PF, WI
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Yeah no MOA in 2.2  J/K it feels good when I beat them:-P |
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05-09-2009, 08:25 AM
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05-09-2009, 02:19 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: *
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Oh yeah! Create a 2.2 unlimited class, and put the turdBERGlers in it!  |
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05-09-2009, 08:08 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew.
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Come on guys you know "it's all about the driving" not the equipment. How about a rule that requires when posting and recording all competition results it must be shown what a driver is competing with a MOA or Shaft. I'm curious aren't you? Yeah I know scuzzy51 was second and Gatekeeper fifth in last years Nats with a shaft truck but who else was? It would certainly help in determining if there really was a need for a split 2.2 class currently there is no data only strong opinions. It would also be good recognition for those who drive shaft rigs and those who manufacture them and aftermarket parts for them.   You should know better than to ask.  Last edited by Stormin2u; 05-09-2009 at 08:14 PM. | |||
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05-10-2009, 06:32 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oakdale, MN
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| You bring up a good point. MOAs are far more superior to the shaft trucks! Example…After watching Casey drives his on some really difficult stuff and trying to follow with my Ax. I could not even come close to getting over some of the obstacles he could with his Berg...Just my thoughts….I don’t think the rules should change. I could get a Berg to replace the Ax, but when I bought the Ax, bergs did not exist. Too much invested now to ditch the ax….IMO...:-( |
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05-10-2009, 06:39 PM
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| Web Wheeling   Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities
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Casey and Gary have done many of the hard lines with their Axials as well. It has a lot more to do with truck setup and driver then anything else. The reason you see so many MOA's in the top spots in our club, is our top drivers made the switch. It seems to early to start trying to toss out new rules or changes, we need to wait for the next cheater innovation before we can call a ban on it ;) |
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05-10-2009, 06:40 PM
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| MODERHATER™   Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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There were some unnecessary changes to the super class.
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05-10-2009, 06:55 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PF, WI
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Mission accomplished: pot stirred I think each type of rig has advantages and disadvantages. Shafty won first comp, MOA won second comp. I just think to keep it fair when the courses are set up have one shafty driver and one MOA driver present if possible. I also vote not to change any rules in the 1.9 class. |
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05-10-2009, 07:11 PM
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05-10-2009, 07:28 PM
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05-10-2009, 07:42 PM
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| Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iron Range, MN.
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dang...was looking at moa's when I was doing all the reading, well before I bought my shafty, but I thought I read moa's were limited to the super class due to the dual motor setup and only shafty's ran in the 2.2 class. moa would have been the way to go...much, much lower cog with all the wieght down on the axels and no tranny, motor and dig sitting on high center. moa's allow for a higher ride height for the center skid...hmm...may dump everything and start over , will have to see how they run on sunday.
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05-10-2009, 07:56 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: appleton
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I think the moa and shafty is driver choice.Proper tuning and good drivability and some luck is what it takes.Ilike the rules but sometines change is good
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05-10-2009, 08:20 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew.
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The point is there is no data collected on the co existence of the MOA and the Shaft truck it appears the MOAs are at the top everywhere and greatly improve the performance of any driver no matter of there experience. We have in a sense created a class within a class why not learn more about the decision to run them both as one class when it's not clear they are. The theoretic arguments carry no facts only opinions and plenty of emotion so whats the real impact or difference? It should be obvious with more data to look at but at this point it's nonexistent. |
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05-10-2009, 08:42 PM
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| Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Iron Range, MN.
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if what you say is true, you in part have the basic data. we need to set it up to where we have a six sigma black belt collect and study all the historical data and provide us with statistical analysis of the trend in relations to wins vs. losses as it pertains to moa's and shafty's.  |
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05-11-2009, 05:21 AM
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I think the way a series is scored should be universal, not decided by individual clubs. The scoring of individual points is universal, now I think the scoring of series should be. Keep the 1.9's the same. Tough to say on Supers, see how the season progresses. |
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05-11-2009, 07:48 AM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew.
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I certainly agree with you Casey I'm responding to Kevin who asked for input for the national rules committee discussion that's all I'm referring to I'd like to hear the committees discussion. The extra data collection about what the driver is driving is all I'm interested in seeing so when we look at results from a specific comp event it reflects that information from a historical standpoint. |
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05-11-2009, 08:16 AM
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| Donkey Punch Champion!   Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis
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Cry babies...all you shafty drivers that is! When we started I whinned about DIG. Pretty much all of us have that now. Having DIG makes your rig that much more capable on most courses. Now we have MOA's, it REALLY makes a control difference. Either you have one or your want one...either way MOA's ARE THE WAY TO GO! Seriously, once you've driven one and feel the complete control you won't look back. |
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05-11-2009, 09:29 AM
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05-11-2009, 09:46 AM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew.
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Damn I'm busted I thought know one saw the little tear in my eye.
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