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GySgt Hartman · 05-12-2009, 08:01 PM

I'm going to push this issue again. Looking at the spring 2009 series, the use of discrete comp scores has created a situation of run-away leads, AFTER THE 2nd COMP!

I propose the use if a uniform scoring system that assigns a series point value to the finishing place of each comp. First place would start at 250pts, decreasing 5pts each place from there (e.g. 2nd 245pts, 3rd 240pts), DNS would be a zero. The one throw-out provision would still apply.

There are a lot of ties, this would go away after the third comp results are entered. As you can see, the series is close, and the competition for National invites will remain heated throughout the season.

Discuss

dirtyal · 05-12-2009, 08:16 PM

I like it. It prevents run away scores and you would have to be consistent the whole season to stay close to the top

wrightcs77 · 05-12-2009, 08:19 PM

I have been for this, too. I think it would reward consistency and better driving.

Etype R · 05-12-2009, 08:31 PM

Hard to compare, when you are tossing out 1 of 2 comps. And when we did run the numbers before, the change in the leaderboard was very minimal.

BigBaller · 05-12-2009, 08:31 PM

yes!!! Keep it close.

dirtyal · 05-12-2009, 08:37 PM

Keep it simple. Have a drivers meeting on Sunday and just do a show of hands vote on this and go with what the majority says.

Since Mike seems to do most of the tallying after the comps we should try to help him out with it though. Is there a way names can be entered into a spreadsheet or something so that it counts up the scores automatically? I have no clue about that stuff.

GySgt Hartman · 05-12-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Etype R

Hard to compare, when you are tossing out 1 of 2 comps. And when we did run the numbers before, the change in the leaderboard was very minimal.

Hard to compare?

I will use Kevin as a prime example; 1st comp he took first place, 2nd comp is his throwaway. How could you justify a first place finish would put that person at 8th place for the series...

Etype R · 05-12-2009, 08:46 PM

I see that, but adding 2 comps together will show a better contrast of the two. Or running a full chart of last season.

BigBaller · 05-12-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GySgt Hartman

Hard to compare?

I will use Kevin as a prime example; 1st comp he took first place, 2nd comp is his throwaway. How could you justify a first place finish would put that person at 8th place for the series...

This way is much better. It will only make a 5 point difference between places. Not 1st place has -17 and 2nd ends up with a +5. That is almost a runaway. Don't over think this guys. Let's change it.

BigBaller · 05-12-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Etype R

I see that, but adding 2 comps together will show a better contrast of the two. Or running a full chart of last season.

Then RUN IT BITCH! You got the numbers and nothing better to do...

GySgt Hartman · 05-12-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Etype R

I see that, but adding 2 comps together will show a better contrast of the two. Or running a full chart of last season.

It doesn't matter, if his first place was at a difficult comp (high score) it will continue to penalize him throughout the season as a high point value, not as a reward for beating the other competitors at that particular comp.

Etype R · 05-12-2009, 08:53 PM

I would rather see the comparison on a full series, rather then 2 comps with the worst score tossed out. That does not show the run away in the end of a season. I believe when we tried running both scoring systems one season, we still had run away leaders. Only a few people changed spots, top 3 remained the same.

BigBaller · 05-13-2009, 02:02 PM

Well, where is your comparision Mike? Run it. Really this proposed way is going to keep things much tighter. Only rewarding the driver's on ability not luck. Some weeks the courses are tougher then others. Still only 5 points would seperate the positions. Not 30 points or more.

Etype R · 05-13-2009, 03:31 PM

Both ways you have the same battles and the same gaps. But this is only covering 2 comps, a full season needs to be compared to show how big the leads can be with both systems.

intimadationrc · 05-13-2009, 08:41 PM

wow kinda glad i stepped away for a bit wow a good way comes up and mike as usual is against it what a surprise mike you dont like change do you .....i'm not a very good crawler but i do see how it would be better chris deans way but ill stick to my scalers till you guys can figure out wtf is going on and agree

Etype R · 05-13-2009, 09:10 PM

I am not totally against it, just want to see a full season points spread comparrison. We looked at both options in the past. We also discused it at both meetings, both times Dean was the only one that supported it at the time if I recall correctly? I know Baller was laughing at dean about it. We also had very close races at the very end of the seasons with our current system, either way we had large point spreads.

wrightcs77 · 05-13-2009, 09:11 PM

One thing I know is you will never make everyone happy and you will go nuts trying. This item was discussed before the season started and voted on by members to stay the way it is currently. Does that mean it is the best way? NOT NECESSARILY. Does it mean it will be changed? NOT NECESSARILY Should it be changed mid season? TOUGH TO SAY, BOTH SIDES WOULD HAVE VERY VALID POINTS ON THIS ISSUE

What I do believe is that it should be in the National rules on how to score a series that qualifies for a national event. If clubs want to try running a different point system, then the club would not be able to send a competitor(s) to nationals.

Etype R · 05-13-2009, 09:21 PM

We don't make changes mid season, but we can change things for the second season.

GySgt Hartman · 05-13-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Etype R

We don't make changes mid season, but we can change things for the second season.

"we" the club, or "we" you?

Etype R · 05-13-2009, 09:25 PM

Kevin said he doesn't want to make changes mid season before.

05-12-2009, 08:01 PM	#1
GySgt Hartman I wanna be Dave Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: * Posts: 2,274	Series Scoring System I'm going to push this issue again. Looking at the spring 2009 series, the use of discrete comp scores has created a situation of run-away leads, AFTER THE 2nd COMP! I propose the use if a uniform scoring system that assigns a series point value to the finishing place of each comp. First place would start at 250pts, decreasing 5pts each place from there (e.g. 2nd 245pts, 3rd 240pts), DNS would be a zero. The one throw-out provision would still apply. There are a lot of ties, this would go away after the third comp results are entered. As you can see, the series is close, and the competition for National invites will remain heated throughout the season. Discuss

05-12-2009, 08:31 PM	#5
BigBaller Donkey Punch Champion! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 4,660	yes!!! Keep it close. Last edited by BigBaller; 05-13-2009 at 01:59 PM.

05-13-2009, 03:31 PM	#14
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	Both ways you have the same battles and the same gaps. But this is only covering 2 comps, a full season needs to be compared to show how big the leads can be with both systems. Attached Images

05-12-2009, 08:16 PM	#2
dirtyal Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PF, WI Posts: 490	I like it. It prevents run away scores and you would have to be consistent the whole season to stay close to the top

05-12-2009, 08:19 PM	#3
wrightcs77 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,496	I have been for this, too. I think it would reward consistency and better driving.

05-12-2009, 08:37 PM	#6
dirtyal Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PF, WI Posts: 490	Keep it simple. Have a drivers meeting on Sunday and just do a show of hands vote on this and go with what the majority says. Since Mike seems to do most of the tallying after the comps we should try to help him out with it though. Is there a way names can be entered into a spreadsheet or something so that it counts up the scores automatically? I have no clue about that stuff.

05-12-2009, 08:46 PM	#8
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	I see that, but adding 2 comps together will show a better contrast of the two. Or running a full chart of last season.

05-12-2009, 08:53 PM	#12
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	I would rather see the comparison on a full series, rather then 2 comps with the worst score tossed out. That does not show the run away in the end of a season. I believe when we tried running both scoring systems one season, we still had run away leaders. Only a few people changed spots, top 3 remained the same.

05-13-2009, 02:02 PM	#13
BigBaller Donkey Punch Champion! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 4,660	Well, where is your comparision Mike? Run it. Really this proposed way is going to keep things much tighter. Only rewarding the driver's on ability not luck. Some weeks the courses are tougher then others. Still only 5 points would seperate the positions. Not 30 points or more.

05-13-2009, 08:41 PM	#15
intimadationrc Rock Crawler Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: weather sucks ,mn Posts: 680	wow kinda glad i stepped away for a bit wow a good way comes up and mike as usual is against it what a surprise mike you dont like change do you .....i'm not a very good crawler but i do see how it would be better chris deans way but ill stick to my scalers till you guys can figure out wtf is going on and agree

05-13-2009, 09:10 PM	#16
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	I am not totally against it, just want to see a full season points spread comparrison. We looked at both options in the past. We also discused it at both meetings, both times Dean was the only one that supported it at the time if I recall correctly? I know Baller was laughing at dean about it. We also had very close races at the very end of the seasons with our current system, either way we had large point spreads.

05-13-2009, 09:11 PM	#17
wrightcs77 RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 1,496	One thing I know is you will never make everyone happy and you will go nuts trying. This item was discussed before the season started and voted on by members to stay the way it is currently. Does that mean it is the best way? NOT NECESSARILY. Does it mean it will be changed? NOT NECESSARILY Should it be changed mid season? TOUGH TO SAY, BOTH SIDES WOULD HAVE VERY VALID POINTS ON THIS ISSUE What I do believe is that it should be in the National rules on how to score a series that qualifies for a national event. If clubs want to try running a different point system, then the club would not be able to send a competitor(s) to nationals.

05-13-2009, 09:21 PM	#18
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	We don't make changes mid season, but we can change things for the second season.

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05-13-2009, 09:25 PM	#20
Etype R Web Wheeling Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Twin Cities Posts: 3,004	Kevin said he doesn't want to make changes mid season before.

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