MNRCRC Voting Thread

[freetimecrawler]

MNRCRC voters only please.

A question has been brought up about picking starting order each comp.
The rule states " Starting order will be a random draw for the first course. The running order for subsequent courses will be run with the first place driver driving first, and the next lowest driver driving next and so on".
The rules also define course as, "A course is all the terrain that competitive driving will take place on, and may be comprised of single or multiple stages".
The rules define stage as, "A stage is the terrain that consists of a start gate, an end gate, and all the terrain in between them. Every stage has an intended direction of travel, or "flow, through the gates".

Last year MNRCRC ran starting order (most of the time) from the prevous weeks finishing order. First place running first, next lowerst second, and so on.
The point of that was/is to give a disadvantage to the prevous weeks points leaders by running the course first, and not having the advantage of seeing the lines that do or don't work, and to give an advantage to those running behind to see the lines that work or don't work. Just some of the other reasons we ran the starting order like we did last year are: Score sheets can be filled out ahead of time to save time at the comp. We don't have to take the time to tally up scores between "stages" to find the running order for the 2nd stage, IMO slowing the flow of the comp, also having to fill out another score sheet with proper running order after tallying scores.

It has been brought up that we go to using a random drawing starting order each week, and take the running order finish from the first course for the 2nd course running order. (confused yet?)

Technically, we run only One course with 2 stages for each class.

EDIT: If we vote to go by random draw, we would probably do something like 1-9 odd's start stage 1. Even's 2-10 start stage 2. In which case the order would stay the same, just moving over to stage 1/2 .
Random draw would take place of course for each class.

Here's where your vote counts.

Lets get this matter settled by Sat 5-5-07
If you want a say? please vote.
ONLY MNRCRC people vote please.

[Cake Eater]

I like the idea of changing from what we did last year... This way it puts it at a complete random. Luck of the draw, if you will...
No reason to 'punish' those that do good on the first coarse, by makeing them a guinea pig for the second. Why?
The only thing I'd like to see different is that after the first stages are run, the socond stages are in reverse order. For example, if you were first for stage one, then you'd be last on stage two. That way you'd be in the, what some would say is the, worst position but then in the best position later.

[freetimecrawler]

Ok, I'll start.
Some reasons for wanting to keep it like last year. Not that I need to add reasons beyond my last post.
1. easier for paper work.
2. No slowing down the flow of the comp having to tally, and double check scores for next running order.
3. No having to fill out another score sheet with proper running order after scores are tallyed from first run.
4. I do think it's a disadvantage for the 1st trucks/s to run 1st and have to pick their own lines without the benifit of being able to watch others before them.
5. We really only run 1 course with 2 stages. That means we would just run the odd's on 1 stage and even's on the 2d stage, and then just switch over .

[Cake Eater]

And, if doing the drawing for running order, just for fun we could all pick a number that would represent you... Like for me, I'd call dibs on 13 (DIBS!). Then one would put these numbers in a hat/box and draw for running order.
The fun part would be that we can mark our vehicles with this particular number (optional)... Like dirt or carpet races... or Nascar...
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that would be cool to see...

[pro beater]

did i open a can of worms?

[freetimecrawler]

Originally Posted by Adogg13x

And, if doing the drawing for running order, just for fun we could all pick a number that would represent you... Like for me, I'd call dibs on 13 (DIBS!). Then one would put these numbers in a hat/box and draw for running order.
The fun part would be that we can mark our vehicles with this particular number (optional)... Like dirt or carpet races... or Nascar...
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that would be cool to see...

Thats another option on the table for people to discuss.
If it's decided to go with the numbers?
I'm calling dibs on #6

Post up your votes and thoughts on adoggs #'s idea. And call dibs on a #

[Cole82]

Originally Posted by Adogg13x

And, if doing the drawing for running order, just for fun we could all pick a number that would represent you... Like for me, I'd call dibs on 13 (DIBS!). Then one would put these numbers in a hat/box and draw for running order.
The fun part would be that we can mark our vehicles with this particular number (optional)... Like dirt or carpet races... or Nascar...
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that would be cool to see...

I think this woulod be the best way to do it.

I'll be sporting 00 when I come up weather or not you use this system.

[zx9crazy]

I call 72:-P

[fast5xc]

if we do numbers i call dibs on 3

[Cole82]

Sounds like your club want's to be nascared.
I call Pepsi hood.

[zx9crazy]

If Cole gets Pepsi then I want Hooters ..hehe I said I want hooters

[freetimecrawler]

Originally Posted by Adogg13x

I like the idea of changing from what we did last year... This way it puts it at a complete random. Luck of the draw, if you will...
No reason to 'punish' those that do good on the first coarse, by makeing them a guinea pig for the second. Why?
The only thing I'd like to see different is that after the first stages are run, the socond stages are in reverse order. For example, if you were first for stage one, then you'd be last on stage two. That way you'd be in the, what some would say is the, worst position but then in the best position later.

I like the numbers idea ok, but this idea has some flaws.
1. Depending on timing, if there were say 14, 2.2 drivers, 5,6,7 could possibly be up on both stages at the same time.
2. driver 1 would have the most time between stages and each driver in between, time would decrease for them, seemingly leaving driver 14 going from 1 stage to another. Even with the odd even method, each driver, with the exception of the 1st driver on each stage, should be able to watch a run or so before they run.

[Cake Eater]

Oh great... So if we are now calling hoods, I call Mark Martin's; Viagra. (i've still got some 2003 Taurus decals.) But I'd still be #13...

[Cake Eater]

Originally Posted by freetimecrawler

I like the numbers idea ok, but this idea has some flaws.
1. Depending on timing, if there were say 14, 2.2 drivers, 5,6,7 could possibly be up on both stages at the same time.
2. driver 1 would have the most time between stages and each driver in between, time would decrease for them, seemingly leaving driver 14 going from 1 stage to another. Even with the odd even method, each driver, with the exception of the 1st driver on each stage, should be able to watch a run or so before they run.

OK, I see where you're comming at... That would be an issue. So we take away the reverse part.
I still like the draw numbers/names and drive in that order.
With last years set-up, the points leader for the previous coarse goes first. Now some might see that as a disadvantage, not being able to learn from others mistakes. And some might see it as an advantage...
But by doing a random number/name draw, it leaves the driveing order to 100% chance.

[Silverdirt]

I like the random thought. but if your calling numbers id like"4"

[freetimecrawler]

Originally Posted by Silverdirt

I like the random thought. but if your calling numbers id like"4"

Did you register a vote?
Also, the numbers would still be used in a random draw.

[Silverdirt]

[quote=freetimecrawler;691157]Did you register a vote?
Sure did

[Etype R]

For random number draw, I say just assign numbers in order of signup, and do the random number draw from there.

[Mnster]

Random

If you each have a number who is going to be #1? Nobody wants to go first. That first person will be at a disadvantage at each and every comp. The first person through the course is generally the one who sets the pace.

That first person:

• Allows others to learn from that drivers mistakes saving the next competitors points.
• Provides others with a clear redefined vision of the course.

It may not seem like much but the backups and wrong turns will add up over the series. At random the burden is spread more equally.

I'd start the day off according to the points in the series. (ex. 1st is 1st)

The runs that follow, either just let people go when they want or go down the list on the score sheet.

[Cole82]

Originally Posted by Mnster

Random

If you each have a number who is going to be #1? Nobody wants to go first. That first person will be at a disadvantage at each and every comp. The first person through the course is generally the one who sets the pace.

That first person:

• Allows others to learn from that drivers mistakes saving the next competitors points.
• Provides others with a clear redefined vision of the course.

It may not seem like much but the backups and wrong turns will add up over the series. At random the burden is spread more equally.

I'd start the day off according to the points in the series. (ex. 1st is 1st)

The runs that follow, either just let people go when they want or go down the list on the score sheet.

Ben they are talking about randomly picking the number. Say my number, 00 is in a hat with others. I get picked second this week. Then next week I get picked first. It's just luck on the first course. Also it would be esier just to spit off 00, 77, 44, 13, would be the running order. It would look cleaner on the score sheet instead of writing in names.