Missouri take on the Super Title

[Harley]

Ok I have to say that everyone in here needs to keep answers short, simple and non threatening. The rules committee will be voting on the Super class title soon and as rep for the area I will vote whatever you guys want.

This is Grover's statement, an eye witness.

Originally Posted by grover

When jake was looking over the course that I was judging I saw that Jakes truck body was clearly out of spec so I said "Jake show me how you think this body meets the minimum hieght spec", while I handed him the tech tool. He put it up to the body and clearly it was to short, so he unfolded the side panel on the drivers side of the body and held the tech tool up to it showing that when pulled down it was over three inches tall. I said "you have to run it down or it is out of spec and you will need to take a repair". Jake told me "thats how we do it..." I told him "it's wrong... but YOU ARE THE MARSHAL." He chose to run it out of spec on my course and when he singed the sheet I told him "good driving Jake, bring a legal truck next year and we'll be golden". Three times and in three different ways I told him he was wrong to be driving this truck out of spec and he chose to run it out of spec and to act as his own marshal on the decision (I firmly believe marshals should not compete for this reason). I was not content leaving it at that so I made sure to tell Fish at my earliest convinience (I talked to fish before the finals were started). I also talked to parker by request, after the finals and told him all of this in detail. I stand by my call (he drove a truck knowing it was out of USRCCA spec).

Respectfully,

Chad-

[dezfan]

Strip the title from Jake.

[Harley]

Also the Poll is private so nobody can see who voted what.

[03libertysport]

I'm proud to admit that I vote to REVOKE his title. I wasn't even there, nor did I have a snowball's chance in Hades of being there, and I'm very perturbed that he was allowed to take the Championship.

[SACCO]

Take it away.

[Eritex Inc.]

I think it is a pretty cut and dry case.

1. Contestant ran an illegal truck

2. Judge called contestant on the legality of the vehicle.

3. Contestant used his "Marshal" status to over rule the judge.

4. Contestant willingly broke the rules.

5. Contestant gets DQ'ed from that comp.

6. Contestant has some sort of ban from sanctioned events for a predetermined amount of time to help prevent future "This is how we do it" moments.

[kwkride]

Looks pretty simple to me.
I would have DQ'd him at one of our local comps.

[DeweyCJ5]

i cant stand cheating in any form...its not fair to us that play by the rules and work hard to get to where we are. i know in no way does this affect me in any way but what about the poor guy that drove his ass of with a legal rig only to get a second place finish...how would you feel if it was you

[twistedone]

In no type of organized racing is a driver allowed to make a Rule Call it is a offical's job to find and uphold the rules at time of the violation all should have stopped and this addressed to avoid a Pissing match like this has caused
I personally Feel due to the Drama over this event this is being handled way Different than if it was someone else and not here(meaning this event)

Just my opinion

[mfawv]

so if the body was ran all day, then his super score does not count meaning the over all goes to second place, ( the original first place).

[Nish]

in no way should he be allowed to keep it.

[sangell]

I feel that with this drivers reputation he will be judged on his past issues as well as this one so he will not get a fair shake with this. Having said that I feel he should have never been competing in the event in the first place. How can the marshall and/or promoter compete in the event. That right their shows a lack of charater to me and his charater of how he handled the issue is as big as the issue it's self.

Next time put a "bacon" in the poll.

[Nish]

it does not matter who it was.
you , me, Jake, Josh, Jerry, Matt
a rule is a rule. when he was called on it before the run starts DQ. during run 10pt touch to fix problem if can't be fixed DQ.
I realize the competitiveness of people you want to argue it. With his position of athority he should have lead by example

[twistedone]

Originally Posted by nishru

it does not matter who it was.
you , me, Jake, Josh, Jerry, Matt
a rule is a rule. when he was called on it before the run starts DQ. during run 10pt touch to fix problem if can't be fixed DQ.
I realize the competitiveness of people you want to argue it. With his position of athority he should have lead by example

think about what you are typing if he ran it allday where and why are there tech stations before and after and where were the Judges only one judge was teching people come on.

EDIT:everyone involved should step-up and everyone has a past

[scaryclownguy]

Originally Posted by twistedone

EDIT:everyone involved should step-up and everyone has a past

Agreed, there is more than one person at fault.

I dont think he should even have competed, but for me blame lies with the judges that scored his runs when he was out of specs.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by twistedone

think about what you are typing if he ran it allday where and why are there tech stations before and after and where were the Judges only one judge was teching people come on.

EDIT:everyone involved should step-up and everyone has a past

Please remove yourself from this conversation as you are not a member of a club in the area I am representing.

[sangell]

Originally Posted by nishru

it does not matter who it was.
you , me, Jake, Josh, Jerry, Matt
a rule is a rule. when he was called on it before the run starts DQ. during run 10pt touch to fix problem if can't be fixed DQ.
I realize the competitiveness of people you want to argue it. With his position of athority he should have lead by example

Nis,
You are correct, it does not matter who it was, I was speaking on this issue pertaining to this person. Yes he should have lead by example, however I think the examples said person has made in the past along with this tell the story.

[Nish]

Originally Posted by twistedone

think about what you are typing if he ran it allday where and why are there tech stations before and after and where were the Judges only one judge was teching people come on.

EDIT:everyone involved should step-up and everyone has a past

changed my mind. I stand by my statement.
read the quote in the original post, judge for the course has stepped up & sounds to me he did all he could w/o refusing to judge the run & stalling the whole event

[scaryclownguy]

Originally Posted by nishru

changed my mind. I stand by my statement.
read the quote in the original post, judge for the course has stepped up & sounds to me he did all he could w/o refusing to judge the run & stalling the whole event

That is what should have happened.

[Nish]

Originally Posted by sangell

I feel that with this drivers reputation he will be judged on his past issues as well as this one so he will not get a fair shake with this.
Next time put a "bacon" in the poll.

past events or not what was done this time should be punished accordingly. his reputation past & present may have an effect on his standings with sponsors, rules commity, general RC public.
I feel he should loose all, not for one isolated incedent but repeat offences. It is not my call. I trully believe Jason, Badger, RCCTV will do what is the right thing to keep this Hobby that we love moving forward.