droop step

[life_livin]

i am really wanting to setup my ax-10s suspesion. I have heard alot about people using a droop set up but i dont quite understand how or what this is.If someone can show me the step up and how to do it that would be great.Thanks
Nick

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[jamesdicken]

i just took out my springs and put 50wt oil on then left and 100wt oil in the right.
it stays low when climbing up steep stuff but still extends when breaking over stuff

[mr_manny]

add some springs behind your shock piston's.
The added tension from the springs will help w/the unloading @break-over.

Pickup an assortment from your local hardware store, and start experimenting

[jamesdicken]

Springs Are The Debil

[frsttimer]

i have kind of a dual rate setup i have a heavier spring under the piston and a little lighter one on top and use 30 wt oil seems to do ok i know i could stand to use a heavier oil but they dont unload to quickly but then again i dont run any comps either so i cant say if it works for that but for what i do it works very well

[Fat-Alfie]

I am also new to crawling, and an experimenting with different spring weights at the moment. Settled on the super-softs for now, but I would also like to experiment with an internal spring setup. Any idea how stiff the springs should be for these droop setups?

[frsttimer]

i got my internal springs from the local hardware store in the screw section they have them there i bought a bunch of different rate springs and went form there i cant remember how many time i have taken my shocks apart to add or take out springs now but its been alot now it feels pretty good to me with the ones i have in there now the stiffness depends on how much the rig weighs i think im new as well and have learned alot on here

[jamesdicken]

just take off your springs and add thick oil.

[nj05nismo]

Originally Posted by jamesdicken

just take off your springs and add thick oil.

bad idea...in a droop setup you really want a spring under the piston holding the shock compressed. I tried it without any springs, and saw a HUGE improvement when i added springs. Im using the soft springs from tcs in the front, and the mediums in the rear and it performs great...

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by nj05nismo

bad idea...in a droop setup you really want a spring under the piston holding the shock compressed. I tried it without any springs, and saw a HUGE improvement when i added springs. Im using the soft springs from tcs in the front, and the mediums in the rear and it performs great...

Not really a bad idea. It all depends on weight,shocks used,valving in your shocks,shock angles and the weight of oil used. Some shocks work well with straight oil,no springs. Some shocks require changing the piston to adjust the valving.

I ran 1000 weight diff oil in my shocks on my super last year,no internal springs and it worked very well.

[jamesdicken]

i find that running any springs hurts my trucks want to articulate.with springs i found that my truck would want to stay stiff and i didnt want that

[jamesdicken]

Originally Posted by nj05nismo

bad idea...in a droop setup you really want a spring under the piston holding the shock compressed. I tried it without any springs, and saw a HUGE improvement when i added springs. Im using the soft springs from tcs in the front, and the mediums in the rear and it performs great...

if its such a bad idea then why am i ranked second in Phoenix out of the Phoenix Area Rock Crawlers!

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Because its pheonix!

[jwcustomwurks]

Gawd....Just experiment with oil weights, spring rates and valving until you feel you have a winner. It's up to the individual drivers preference. Take the advice given on droop set up and tune from there.

[Reflection]

Originally Posted by jwcustomwurks

Gawd....Just experiment with oil weights, spring rates and valving until you feel you have a winner. It's up to the individual drivers preference. Take the advice given on droop set up and tune from there.

That can be said about ANY aspect of a crawler.

The rig/set up is very important. The driver is equally as important. Finding a combo that works with YOUR driving style/skill level,is the key.

[tanmonster]

i find that running any springs hurts my trucks want to articulate.with springs i found that my truck would want to stay stiff and i didnt want that

A limited articulation truck can out perform a truck with 90 degrees of articulation in most circumstances. If there is no articulation in your truck with springs get softer springs and you will be fine. I run about 45 degrees of articulation on my ax10 and it will GO.

[jwcustomwurks]

Originally Posted by tanmonster

A limited articulation truck can out perform a truck with 90 degrees of articulation in most circumstances. If there is no articulation in your truck with springs get softer springs and you will be fine. I run about 45 degrees of articulation on my ax10 and it will GO.

Agreed. Don't overestimate articulation/spring setup. If one of your front wheels drops into a gap your truck is most likely just going to try and pull itself down in that gap further and break something..looks kinda funny when the rest of your rig still has all other tires firmly planted still. It's a little tricky...you want to be able to carry your tire over said gap while still having some artic.

[Toycrawler5481]

Originally Posted by jwcustomwurks

Agreed. Don't overestimate articulation/spring setup. If one of your front wheels drops into a gap your truck is most likely just going to try and pull itself down in that gap further and break something..looks kinda funny when the rest of your rig still has all other tires firmly planted still. It's a little tricky...you want to be able to carry your tire over said gap while still having some artic.

Agreed as well. Articulation is overated, what kind of traction can you get with your rim firmly on its side wall... its better to have a certain limit like 45 to 50 degrees, i have always ran mine with not too much over kill and have done better than my buddies who have twice as much and they are always scratching their heads...

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   Originally Posted by WVB

   hows that shock set up working for you in that confriguation ?? thanks for any info.

Originally Posted by WVB

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