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47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 01:53 PM

MOA conversion?
 
I am looking into a MOA conversion and saw that raptor axles are very nice looking but am not sure about them because i have heard they are junk.
And, i think they are too wide for 2.2 class with 8 shooters.
I saw berg axles and are i think too wide
then i saw the ones meant for axial and just want to know the basics I.E. dual esc? how to do dig? i am planning on a FXR for esc but cant afford 2 and dont know how you wire 2 of them and just want to be informed on all of this
this might be for the newb section but since i just fell into somethign worth some money i want to see what i can do
feel free to post any input u have
thanks :)

nj05nismo 12-30-2008 02:08 PM

I dont know about the FXR, but for less than 80 bux you can get the Sidewinder and it will run dual brushed motors for a MOA rig with no problems according to castle creations. With proper offset wheels bergs can be made to be about 10-10.25" wide...which is pretty much ideal (altho i like having the 9.5" wide rear axle). That being said the HR conversion is well liked, but has weak inner axles and aluminum lockers. For dig do a search in the Berg or clod sections as it has been discussed hundreds of times, just requires 2 switches and a micro servo.


do what i did when idecided to go MOA, read the posts in the berg and clod sections....massive amount of information to be had, and it pretty much applies to any MOA rig.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 02:15 PM

isnt a 12.5 track width allowed for 2.2?
i like the customizibility of a FXR and i bet it will handle them both
i think i might just go witout dig for a while, if i do then i can run novice right?

nj05nismo 12-30-2008 05:44 PM

i dont know your local rigs, but MOA is not ok in Novice here...

i beleive 12.5 track width is ok...

the Sidewinder is the ultimate in tunability...there is nothing you cant tune:D

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 05:55 PM

with the castle link, but then i need to do it on my PC
the fxr is all in the field
dont try to persuade me for a sidewinder unless the specs are better
i still havent heard of anyone unsatisfied with the FXR
what other MOA axles are there?
Berg, raptor 1 and 2 and the hot racing ones

Calderwood 12-30-2008 06:19 PM

I love my bergs. The track width is perfect with the berg offset Eritex wheels. You are right 12.5" is legal for 2.2s but you would have an awful time trying to fit through the gates. Here is a sticky in the berg section for digs on MOAs: http://www.rccrawler.com/forum/enroute-berg/136425-my-dig-switch-box.html

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 06:24 PM

well is it worth trying the raptors for 75 a set?
or the bullys even
i think bullys

Calderwood 12-30-2008 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1499815)
well is it worth trying the raptors for 75 a set?

no...

Racer4Life 12-30-2008 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1499815)
well is it worth trying the raptors for 75 a set?
or the bullys even
i think bullys

The Raptors are two wide and are geared high.

The Bullies would be good.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 08:48 PM

ok so bullies it is
then a FXR should pull it off right?
i will order myself one of those
and 2 35t? 45? 55?
idk which motors i was thinking 35 or 45
what do you guys run?

Calderwood 12-30-2008 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500189)
ok so bullies it is
then a FXR should pull it off right?
i will order myself one of those
and 2 35t? 45? 55?
idk which motors i was thinking 35 or 45
what do you guys run?

I run 35 turns on 3s.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 08:57 PM

i will run a 6 cell nimh then eventually go to either 2 ir 3 cell lipo
probably 3 because plans for ESC has changed:ror::ror::ror::ror:
do you have a vid of your crawler?
what ESC do you run?

hitman46mod 12-30-2008 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1499815)
well is it worth trying the raptors for 75 a set?
or the bullys even
i think bullys

So if your not getting the FXR what are you getting? And Bullys are a great choice.;-)

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 09:06 PM

I WAS going to get a sidewinder, but then with the PC link its the same price so the fxr is it
it will handle a 3c while i think the sidewinder will only handle 2 cells
what esc do you run?
also ideas on chassis? and shocks?

Calderwood 12-30-2008 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500218)
i will run a 6 cell nimh then eventually go to either 2 ir 3 cell lipo
probably 3 because plans for ESC has changed:ror::ror::ror::ror:
do you have a vid of your crawler?
what ESC do you run?


I don't have a vid of it. It works great though. I run a Mamba Max.

hitman46mod 12-30-2008 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500236)
I WAS going to get a sidewinder, but then with the PC link its the same price so the fxr is it
it will handle a 3c while i think the sidewinder will only handle 2 cells
what esc do you run?
also ideas on chassis? and shocks?

I will run a Mamba Max on 3s and a custom chassis on 94 MM shocks with Bullys on Panthers mounted on Eritex AX-10 offset Solids. Mine is a well planed WIP."thumbsup"
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/k...A/bd6ac03d.jpg
I should have axles by the end of next week.

Racer4Life 12-30-2008 09:17 PM

35 or 45 turns from Holmes Hobbies

Tekin or Sidewinder...I prefer Sidewinder

Get a 3 cell lipo You will love the wheel speed.

Losi 4" shocks and a Kamikaze chassis with bent links.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman46mod (Post 1500254)
I will run a Mamba Max on 3s and a custom chassis on 94 MM shocks with Bullys on Panthers mounted on Eritex AX-10 offset Solids. Mine is a well planed WIP."thumbsup"

I should have axles by the end of next week.

neat chassis, i think i might just make one, a VERY small one. Big enough for a battery.
looks like you might need more wheelspeed.
lol

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer4Life (Post 1500257)
35 or 45 turns from Holmes Hobbies

Tekin or Sidewinder...I prefer Sidewinder

Get a 3 cell lipo You will love the wheel speed.

Losi 4" shocks and a Kamikaze chassis with bent links.

why do you prefer sidewinder?
besides the PC link customizing
i think ill get some shocks from JPcustoms
chassis might have to be a KK
which one though?

Racer4Life 12-30-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500266)
why do you prefer sidewinder?
besides the PC link customizing
i think ill get some shocks from JPcustoms
chassis might have to be a KK
which one though?

Just like the Castle stuff. The PC interface is nice. Works with the BEC's too.

Losi shocks!!! Trust me.

The KK chassis depends on the shocks. If you go with the Losi, get the chassis for 4" shocks.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer4Life (Post 1500276)
Just like the Castle stuff. The PC interface is nice. Works with the BEC's too.

Losi shocks!!! Trust me.

The KK chassis depends on the shocks. If you go with the Losi, get the chassis for 4" shocks.

i have their BEC too lol
i ned to get around to programming it too
doesnt it have almost the same specs as the FXR?
also i think i might be cutting the budget close with the losi's so ill see when i get there
what chassis, im new to KK's designs

hitman46mod 12-30-2008 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500260)
neat chassis, i think i might just make one, a VERY small one. Big enough for a battery.
looks like you might need more wheelspeed.
lol

KK is good stuff."thumbsup"

Making a chassis is easy.

I plan to go with a staggered motor setup a 45t in the front and a 55t in the rear it will give you more speed in the front for hill climbs and digging.

Shocks all depend on chassis design and how much ground clearance you are looking for. My setup will give me a 12 3/8" WB and 3 5/8" ground clearance(We have lumpy rocks around here).

With an MOA setup you can take advantage of the fact that the drive train is on the axles and not in the chassis. The heaviest single part of a shaft driven rig is the motor and it is mounted above the center line of the axles.:roll:

So what you want to do is look at the terrain you crawl and decide what GC you want. Then layout your chassis start with a shock mounting point about 45 degrees inside the center line of the axle. Now here is where you can cheat. You dont need to mount anything in the chassis. If you get the FX R and a spectrum 3000 RX you can mount them on the axles. But wait it gets better. Search around and find a 3s 1100 25C lipo (Maxamps.com about $65) it is very small. About half the size of the one in my pic. Mount that below the front upper links.;-) Bam you got youself a lowpro comp rig. And if you lay your chassis out low and run an 80mm shock you can get that slammed body look.:shock:

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman46mod (Post 1500308)
KK is good stuff."thumbsup"

Making a chassis is easy.

I plan to go with a staggered motor setup a 45t in the front and a 55t in the rear it will give you more speed in the front for hill climbs and digging.

Shocks all depend on chassis design and how much ground clearance you are looking for. My setup will give me a 12 3/8" WB and 3 5/8" ground clearance(We have lumpy rocks around here).

With an MOA setup you can take advantage of the fact that the drive train is on the axles and not in the chassis. The heaviest single part of a shaft driven rig is the motor and it is mounted above the center line of the axles.:roll:

So what you want to do is look at the terrain you crawl and decide what GC you want. Then layout your chassis start with a shock mounting point about 45 degrees inside the center line of the axle. Now here is where you can cheat. You dont need to mount anything in the chassis. If you get the FX R and a spectrum 3000 RX you can mount them on the axles. But wait it gets better. Search around and find a 3s 1100 25C lipo (Maxamps.com about $65) it is very small. About half the size of the one in my pic. Mount that below the front upper links.;-) Bam you got youself a lowpro comp rig. And if you lay your chassis out low and run an 80mm shock you can get that slammed body look.:shock:

exactly what i want to do, we have steep rocks here
accept my reciever will be on the back links/back axle
its big and cant afford a new one
i might go with sidewinder and the programming cable, i also have a CC bec so i might need it
idk i will look at specs tomorrow and see

hitman46mod 12-30-2008 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500332)
exactly what i want to do, we have steep rocks here
accept my reciever will be on the back links/back axle
its big and cant afford a new one
i might go with sidewinder and the programming cable, i also have a CC bec so i might need it
idk i will look at specs tomorrow and see

Have you given any consideration to a dig setup. I would recomend a mini micro servo you can get them for about $7 on Ebay. The RX is what I call a bonus item cause it weighs nothing. So I don't think it will matter. The Sidewinder is a good choice small and powerful. I plan to run one on my 1.9 just so I can put 3s to it."thumbsup"

bullet1231 12-30-2008 10:05 PM

dude, go with the FXR if u really think that it is much better.... people go with CC just because its already proven, very programable(no blinking crap that u have to figure out) and they reliable( trust me,I have 6 mamba maxes and a monster max) the only advantage i can see with the FXR is its size, other than that, its an even playing field.. just my 02 cents.

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 10:36 PM

thats where you're wrong, i need the sync cable anyways for my BEC so why not? plus i heard that programming is a snap with the cable

47willysbuggy 12-30-2008 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman46mod (Post 1500392)
Have you given any consideration to a dig setup. I would recomend a mini micro servo you can get them for about $7 on Ebay. The RX is what I call a bonus item cause it weighs nothing. So I don't think it will matter. The Sidewinder is a good choice small and powerful. I plan to run one on my 1.9 just so I can put 3s to it."thumbsup"

i think i might go with the sidewinder

WKKILLER 12-31-2008 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47willysbuggy (Post 1500236)
I WAS going to get a sidewinder, but then with the PC link its the same price so the fxr is it
it will handle a 3c while i think the sidewinder will only handle 2 cells
what esc do you run?
also ideas on chassis? and shocks?

The sidewinder will handle 3 cells. I switched from a Mamba Max to an FXR and love it."thumbsup"

47willysbuggy 12-31-2008 10:55 AM

Im not going to try to make this a CC/FXR battle but i need some opinions
is it better to buy they sync cable and the sidewinder or sync cable and FXR
either way i have a castle BEC so i need it
i think maybe since i can use it with the sidewinder to just get that


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