Venom Crawler vs. Losi Comp Crwler(1/10) vs. Scorpion

[GrizzleFists]

Which One, ARTR.

[legion1capone]

Search, search, and search again. Read, read, read.

[Ghostkid]

I think the same thing, so save up by each one and see which one you like the best.

[Pdog7]

Losi Comp crawler

1. Worm gears= no torque twist
2. Great losi support and design
3. Lots of aftermarket hop-ups
4. Not a lot of hop-up parts for the Venom

[Greatscott]

I'm not sure about the "no torque twist on worm gears" thing, but because most of the torque is being generated in the diff it will be greatly reduced.

As far as which one, it depends, if you are bashing get any of them and have fun. For competing I'd go with the AX10 (LOT of aftermarket parts) or the Losi, both of which I have seen at comps, I have yet to see a Venom competing...

[ryan48]

im going with the losi i have the ax-10 and it is a great truck and the price is pretty sweet. the losi is a little more but i think it is going to be worth it because it comes with pretty much everything you need to be comp ready big plus is the front/rear dig. as for the venom not sure on that truck i never saw it run in person. well good luck choosing a truck

[Squadfer]

The venom creeper with a few mods (new tires and a few small items) is a VERY capable rig. mine is about 97% stock and the few changes I did to it has been stuff I could do with the parts already on it. I did my very first comp class comp last weekend and out of 15 people I took 5th. There was a berg there as well and the berg took 4th by 1 point. Keep in mind, this was a pretty stock creeper with the battery still at its highest point (on top of the rig). I feel that the creeper will still hang with the losi whenever that does come out. Yes, the venom doesnt have that many mods yet but that will come in do time. The axial didnt have many mods when it first came out and now look at it, you can change just about everything on it.

[Dark8ngel]

Axial or creeper. Losi has no set in stone release date, still doing the R&D on the worm gear to insure it will last and has zero after aftermarket parts to date...

As stated above the axial has been out for 2+ years and you can find spare and aftermarket parts just about anywhere. The creeper's been out for a few months now and were starting to see a few aftermarket parts out for it.

All that being said...I am a happy owner of a creeper...only because I got tired...like many...watching the release dates come and go for the losi...

I've raced 1/10 sedan, gas truck & 1/8 buggy & truggy for many years against losi's drivers...so I am very aware of the R&D and quality of the losi products and have one a pre-order for when they are released

[dkf]

Worm gears are the most ineffecient gear reduction there is. I don't see how your going to completly eliminate torque twist with a worm setup.

My vote is the AX10. Inexpensive, tons of aftermarket parts, performs well and I prefer 2.2s. The creeper is a sweet rig too just not the aftermarket support of the Axial.

[dieselfuel]

Originally Posted by dkf

Worm gears are the most ineffecient gear reduction there is. I don't see how your going to completly eliminate torque twist with a worm setup.

you havent driven one have you? they perform like an MOA rig.

[Greatscott]

Losi had their 1/10 comp crawler at SDRCRC's last comp, it looked pretty good. One thing about worm gear trucks, you don't need an ESC drag-break , the worm gears will not allow the axel to turn when there is no power going to them. You can run a regular ESC and a lower turn motor.

Right now I am trying to decide to get a Losi and turn my AX10 into a scaler, or to keep my AX10 a crawler and get a Slash. I had my mind made up before I threw a bunch of upgrades into my AX10...

[Cruzin Illusion]

How can you have a true comparison on a rig that has not been released. Some of us may have seen one but you really have not driven one to see how they compare. So for someone to say one is better than the other is just personal opinion.

[dkf]

Originally Posted by dieselfuel

you havent driven one have you? they perform like an MOA rig.

No, but I know how they work in industrial applications. Not saying there bad.

[paintballer9876]

It is impossible to tell how the losi will be (not just in preformance, but parts, endurance, etc) i personally have seen one crawl in a comp along with a few other people on this forum. Is it something that I will instantly want to blow $280 on it now... no, it isnt new technology, and would it be better than my berg, probley not.

Axials have the aftermarket support and are nice, However they require quite a few upgrades to really shine, I have seen the creeper a few times crawl stock, it is better than the artr axial with no upgrades. Pre order the losi, and buy a creeper, set it up and start crawling, the creeper will allow you to get used to crawling before you get the losi. Once you get the losi, swap the elctronics over and you have a crawler and depending on how many times they delay it, you will have some experence under your belt.

[Locked Up]

Losi isn't out yet.

I have not seen a creeper.

AX10 has my vote. Keep in mind that you can usually find a lightly used but super decked out AX10 in the for sale section for less than 1/2 of what the parts cost new.

[2500hdon37s]

i saw a creeper today try the course where my AXIAL walked right through this course and the creeper had trouble where I NEVER spun a tire it also had mods done to it and flat irons, i had the losi rock carvers and they where hanging with panthers and i have never been disapointed by axial or losi but venem leves a lot to be desired

[soundcolor]

Originally Posted by dieselfuel

you havent driven one have you? they perform like an MOA rig.

I dont know for sure, but I'd bet neither have you.
Its a simple fact of physics that no matter what kind of shaft driven vehicle, (from crawlers to cars, trucks and 1:1 anything) you are going to have TT. It cant be stopped all the way unless you go to a rigid solid suspensioin. I dont care if the trans is a double hydraulic centrifugal counter rotating torque converter cunuter valved super worm gear. If its shaft driven its gonna twist. You can minimalize it to where its a non-issue, but it cant be stopped. Why is it going to twist. Because the motor either spins clockwise (right twist), or anti-clock wise (left twist). When the motor spins, it sends torque to the axels, and they split that torque to the left and right, and onto the wheels. Knowing that, you must also understand that Torque Twist is not the fault of the motor, or trans, or axials. Its a problem of suspension. Ultimately even you could have anywhere form a 4 link to a 1,000 links, coil springs, or leafsprings, Its the linkages job to alow movement and articulation of the suspension, and its because of this torque twist happens. The motor trans being mounted solidly to the chassis, and then to the linkages, and then the linkages being mounted to the axle. If you allow the axles to rotate, then the chassis is able to rotate. thus Torque twist. period.

[Squadfer]

Originally Posted by 2500hdon37s

i saw a creeper today try the course where my AXIAL walked right through this course and the creeper had trouble where I NEVER spun a tire it also had mods done to it and flat irons, i had the losi rock carvers and they where hanging with panthers and i have never been disapointed by axial or losi but venem leves a lot to be desired

no wonder the venom spun its tires its flat irons... compare the two vehicles with the same type of tires then come back to this subject.

Thats like saying the rock lizards going up agaisnt panthers....

[legion1capone]

x2 on what squadfer said.

[TomEGunn]

not to bad I think. I sipped the stock tires and pulled the foam out of front and added a shot glass of bb's in each,and stared foams in rear. I think with the dig unit ( mystical unicorn ) if it every shows up.... will help a great deal. of course new tires and some other goodies and I think I'll be competitive, keep in mind this is my first yr in crawling. I have watched for a couple years and I think my truck will keep up