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gmosher1 · 07-21-2009, 10:24 PM

I am fairly new to the crawler world and LOVE it.
I have several models but I like my AX10 the best.
I have a ARTR 90004 with slight mods and the axial 55t
I run the castle brushless esc but when I get the crawler into some situations when I want the motor to hold the truck, it won't
I have the drag set at 100%
I was looking at the Intagy 55t lath motor
Is this a good option??

xgerstandtx · 07-21-2009, 10:46 PM

you need to search the difference betweeen HOLD brake and DRAG brake, now with that said different springs and motors will react with that esc. A Holmes Hobbies Cobalt is unreal for wheelspeed and torque on as little as 6 cells(nimh). hope that helps.

gmosher1 · 07-21-2009, 11:12 PM

Thanks, that makes perfict sence
so my next ? is the hold brake part of how the motor is wound ?
My sidewinder has no hold funtion just drag

viper6171 · 07-21-2009, 11:30 PM

well i have a question concerning this subject i have a wheely king axled crawler to start out is the integy 55t lathe motor a good starting point (i saw what was said about the cobalt motor)

gmosher1 · 07-21-2009, 11:44 PM

I am instaling the 55t lathe motor today and I hope it has a better holding brake then the Axial 55t...
I'll let you know

clockworks · 07-22-2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gmosher1

Thanks, that makes perfict sence
so my next ? is the hold brake part of how the motor is wound ?
My sidewinder has no hold funtion just drag

Hill-hold brake is a function of specialist crawler ESCs.
Without this feature, you'll need to find a motor with more mechanical (brush drag) or magnetic (stronger magnets) resistance.

I use a Novak Goat system, which has an excellent hill-hold brake. From what I've read, specialist crawler motors have more mechanical resistance to rolling than lathe motors. Makes sense, as a motor designed to power a comm or tyre-trueing lathe doesn't need this feature.

oldhippie · 07-22-2009, 08:31 AM

I had a sidewinder/55t and the thing wouldn't hold at all. Went to a holmes 500 puller geared to the moon (93/9) and it will hold anywhere. Of course my fxr/45 will stand on its nose.

papaweely · 07-22-2009, 10:18 AM

I really like my Tekin FXR 55t combo.

BigB_117 · 07-22-2009, 10:24 AM

The sidewinder really has a crummy drag brake from what I've seen.

Tekin FXR is they way to go, the drag brake is so strong on my berg that it will almost flip over when I stop fast.

gmosher1 · 07-22-2009, 10:11 PM

I installed the intagy 55t lathe today and it is better than the axial 55t
but I want more...
what would be a good motor for a mild tuned ax10 with a sidewinder esc, stock hammers with beadlock weights from ebay
and of course a novice ( 4 month) trigger man

oldhippie · 07-22-2009, 11:05 PM

500 puller on 3s

93/9

TLTRyan · 07-23-2009, 05:52 PM

Upgrading to any lathe/crawler motor should be better. Even with the cheap lathe motors you can install stronger brush springs to increase the mechanical drag in the motor. It probably still wont hold on a hill with the Sidewinder but it should perform better that the stock 55t.

A hand wound motor will have stronger magnets and stiffer brush springs/ better brushes. It will have more drag than the lathe with the stiffer springs.

The cobalt motor will give the most braking effect because of the powerful Cobalt magnets and large brush/comm area. Their is a reason these motors are so expensive.

Or buy a Tekin FXR motor/ESC combo and never worry about drag brakes being to weak.

07-21-2009, 10:24 PM	#1
gmosher1 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Panama City Posts: 48	What motor?? I am fairly new to the crawler world and LOVE it. I have several models but I like my AX10 the best. I have a ARTR 90004 with slight mods and the axial 55t I run the castle brushless esc but when I get the crawler into some situations when I want the motor to hold the truck, it won't I have the drag set at 100% I was looking at the Intagy 55t lath motor Is this a good option??

07-22-2009, 10:24 AM	#9
BigB_117 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sebastopol CA Posts: 1,525	The sidewinder really has a crummy drag brake from what I've seen. Tekin FXR is they way to go, the drag brake is so strong on my berg that it will almost flip over when I stop fast. Last edited by BigB_117; 07-22-2009 at 10:27 AM.

07-22-2009, 11:05 PM	#11
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	500 puller on 3s93/9

07-21-2009, 10:46 PM	#2
xgerstandtx RCC Addict Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Marshalltown Posts: 1,003	you need to search the difference betweeen HOLD brake and DRAG brake, now with that said different springs and motors will react with that esc. A Holmes Hobbies Cobalt is unreal for wheelspeed and torque on as little as 6 cells(nimh). hope that helps.

07-21-2009, 11:12 PM	#3
gmosher1 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Panama City Posts: 48	Thanks, that makes perfict sence so my next ? is the hold brake part of how the motor is wound ? My sidewinder has no hold funtion just drag

07-21-2009, 11:30 PM	#4
viper6171 RCC Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: pullin somebody else out of a mud hole Posts: 1,759	well i have a question concerning this subject i have a wheely king axled crawler to start out is the integy 55t lathe motor a good starting point (i saw what was said about the cobalt motor)

07-21-2009, 11:44 PM	#5
gmosher1 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Panama City Posts: 48	I am instaling the 55t lathe motor today and I hope it has a better holding brake then the Axial 55t... I'll let you know

07-22-2009, 08:31 AM	#7
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	I had a sidewinder/55t and the thing wouldn't hold at all. Went to a holmes 500 puller geared to the moon (93/9) and it will hold anywhere. Of course my fxr/45 will stand on its nose.

07-22-2009, 10:18 AM	#8
papaweely Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Shenandoah Valley, VA Posts: 102	I really like my Tekin FXR 55t combo.

07-22-2009, 10:11 PM	#10
gmosher1 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Panama City Posts: 48	I installed the intagy 55t lathe today and it is better than the axial 55t but I want more... what would be a good motor for a mild tuned ax10 with a sidewinder esc, stock hammers with beadlock weights from ebay and of course a novice ( 4 month) trigger man

07-23-2009, 05:52 PM	#12
TLTRyan Rock Crawler Join Date: May 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 876	Upgrading to any lathe/crawler motor should be better. Even with the cheap lathe motors you can install stronger brush springs to increase the mechanical drag in the motor. It probably still wont hold on a hill with the Sidewinder but it should perform better that the stock 55t. A hand wound motor will have stronger magnets and stiffer brush springs/ better brushes. It will have more drag than the lathe with the stiffer springs. The cobalt motor will give the most braking effect because of the powerful Cobalt magnets and large brush/comm area. Their is a reason these motors are so expensive. Or buy a Tekin FXR motor/ESC combo and never worry about drag brakes being to weak.

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