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/X\ONSTER · 05-16-2010, 05:21 PM

i have a tcs eclipse tuber and i've been looking at getting the vanquish dig, but it's a rear dig. is that good or is a front dig better? by rear dig it means the front is disconnected? enlighten me plz

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 06:08 PM

This can get pretty confusing...

Front dig is when the rear wheels are locked/disconnected, and the front wheels are powered. The front wheels are "digging".

Rear dig is when the front wheels are locked/disconnected, and the rear wheels are powered.

The Vanquish dig mounts on the rear, and it's used to lock/disconnect the rear axle. So it provides a front dig function..

oh, and front dig is a lot more useful than rear dig.

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB_117

This can get pretty confusing...

Front dig is when the rear wheels are locked/disconnected, and the front wheels are powered. The front wheels are "digging".

Rear dig is when the front wheels are locked/disconnected, and the rear wheels are powered.

The Vanquish dig mounts on the rear, and it's used to lock/disconnect the rear axle. So it provides a front dig function..

oh, and front dig is a lot more useful than rear dig.

Actually, you have it backward. Rear dig is the same as front burn...the rear wheels are locked and the fronts only spin. Front dig is the same as rear burn....the front wheels are locked and the rears only spin.

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Actually, you have it backward. Rear dig is the same as front burn...the rear wheels are locked and the fronts only spin. Front dig is the same as rear burn....the front wheels are locked and the rears only spin.

umm... I'm pretty sure a front dig and a front "burn" are the same thing...

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 06:40 PM

Nope. Rear dig = Front burn

JeepinOR · 05-16-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Rear dig = Front burn

Makes sense to me - the rears spin and dig while the fronts drag and 'burn' with friction.

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JeepinCA

Makes sense to me - the rears spin and dig while the fronts drag and 'burn' with friction.

Haha...nope....burn=spinning, dig=stopped

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Haha...nope....burn=spinning, dig=stopped

I've never seen dig refereed to that way.

It's always been burn= spinning, and dig = spinning to me... "dig" as in the front tires are "digging in as then drive...

I see people get the front/rear mixed up all the time though...

I know in 1:1 wheeling I've always seen a front dig, and a front burn used interchangeably for front powered, rear lock.

romulus22 · 05-16-2010, 07:00 PM

all i know is rear wheels locked = rear dig. dont know why or how it gets it name but thats what it is

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB_117

I know in 1:1 wheeling I've always seen a front dig, and a front burn used interchangeably for front powered, rear lock.

Nope, they typically use the term "burn"...which means the tires moving. However, a "dig" is the opposite.

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 07:40 PM

ok.. but that's backwards from what I've always read/been told/etc.

for example:

http://www.thinkomnimedia.com/pages/...owto=51&page=2
"What Is Dig? What is Burn?
Dig and Burn are two names for the same thing. Dig and burn refer to the ability to power only the front or rear axle on a rock crawler. The term "dig" comes from the fact that if only the front tires are spinning; they tend to dig a hole in the dirt. Likewise, the term "burn" comes from the tires heating up and burning while spinning on a harder surface such as rock. The two can be used interchangeably, but in this article I will refer to "dig." If only the front tires are spinning, it is called a front dig. If only the rear tires are spinning, it is called rear dig. Sometimes it is advantageous for the unpowered axle to be locked and dragged by the powered axle. This is called locked dig. Other times, the unpowered axle is left to spin freely. This is called unlocked dig. Read on to see which is best to use in particular situations."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzunPN_Ljs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzE0ODDPd10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5VWH0uW_Pw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLLhLAIzODg

Seems to be that a lot of people have it wrong.. maybe I do too.. I dunno..

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 07:54 PM

Well, you could be right...but I've always referred to them the way I posted...and I've been to quite a few 1:1 comps and heard the way I posted above. Just for SnG's, I looked up the original Dig master for RCs and he uses the term the way you do...synonymous. comp style tlt (GROUNDER) with front digg

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 08:00 PM

well I bet the the original poster is even more confused now..

Maybe we can ask the rules committee for a ruling

(kidding)

JeremyH · 05-16-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigB_117

well I bet the the original poster is even more confused now..

Well, that's what we're here for....

romulus22 · 05-16-2010, 08:02 PM

heck i just go off of what they call the dig when i bought it. i really dont know either i guess

BigB_117 · 05-16-2010, 08:06 PM

well sh!t... maybe we should've checked the" glossary of terms for noobs" thread.. (I didn't even know we had one till now, just noticed it because it jumped to the top of the new posts list)

RC Crawler Glossary of Terms

<i>"Dig A feature of the drivetrain that allows a driver to enguage only the front or rear axle while the other axle is left to freewheel or is locked. When the front axle is being driven, this is "front dig." When the rear axle is driven, it's "rear dig." Dig is used to negotiate tight turns and avoid reverse penalties."</i>

oldhippie · 05-16-2010, 08:07 PM

I have always ( I been wheeling 1-1 for over 40 years) used dig and burn interchangeably and no one has ever disagreed or been confused. Front dig/burn = front wheels spinning, rear not. Rear dig/burn = rear wheels turning, front not. As far as I'm concerned any thing else is crazy talk.

/X\ONSTER · 05-16-2010, 09:37 PM

so listen, does the vanquish allow the front to spin and rear to turn off? that's all...lol

romulus22 · 05-16-2010, 09:39 PM

yeah

Grizzly4x4 · 05-16-2010, 09:51 PM

Front dig = front burn. Front tires powered, rear tires locked or spinning freely.

Rear dig = rear burn. Rear tires powered, front tires locked or spinning freely.

05-16-2010, 05:21 PM	#1
/X\ONSTER Newbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: r3no Posts: 23	front dig, rear dig? i have a tcs eclipse tuber and i've been looking at getting the vanquish dig, but it's a rear dig. is that good or is a front dig better? by rear dig it means the front is disconnected? enlighten me plz
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05-16-2010, 09:37 PM	#18
/X\ONSTER Newbie Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: r3no Posts: 23	so listen, does the vanquish allow the front to spin and rear to turn off? that's all...lol
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05-16-2010, 06:08 PM	#2
BigB_117 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sebastopol CA Posts: 1,525	This can get pretty confusing... Front dig is when the rear wheels are locked/disconnected, and the front wheels are powered. The front wheels are "digging". Rear dig is when the front wheels are locked/disconnected, and the rear wheels are powered. The Vanquish dig mounts on the rear, and it's used to lock/disconnect the rear axle. So it provides a front dig function.. oh, and front dig is a lot more useful than rear dig.

05-16-2010, 06:40 PM	#5
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Nope. Rear dig = Front burn

05-16-2010, 07:00 PM	#9
romulus22 0 0 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FT. Thomas Posts: 1,830	all i know is rear wheels locked = rear dig. dont know why or how it gets it name but thats what it is

05-16-2010, 07:40 PM	#11
BigB_117 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sebastopol CA Posts: 1,525	ok.. but that's backwards from what I've always read/been told/etc. for example: http://www.thinkomnimedia.com/pages/...owto=51&page=2 "What Is Dig? What is Burn? Dig and Burn are two names for the same thing. Dig and burn refer to the ability to power only the front or rear axle on a rock crawler. The term "dig" comes from the fact that if only the front tires are spinning; they tend to dig a hole in the dirt. Likewise, the term "burn" comes from the tires heating up and burning while spinning on a harder surface such as rock. The two can be used interchangeably, but in this article I will refer to "dig." If only the front tires are spinning, it is called a front dig. If only the rear tires are spinning, it is called rear dig. Sometimes it is advantageous for the unpowered axle to be locked and dragged by the powered axle. This is called locked dig. Other times, the unpowered axle is left to spin freely. This is called unlocked dig. Read on to see which is best to use in particular situations." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzunPN_Ljs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzE0ODDPd10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5VWH0uW_Pw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLLhLAIzODg Seems to be that a lot of people have it wrong.. maybe I do too.. I dunno..

05-16-2010, 07:54 PM	#12
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	Well, you could be right...but I've always referred to them the way I posted...and I've been to quite a few 1:1 comps and heard the way I posted above. Just for SnG's, I looked up the original Dig master for RCs and he uses the term the way you do...synonymous. comp style tlt (GROUNDER) with front digg

05-16-2010, 08:00 PM	#13
BigB_117 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sebastopol CA Posts: 1,525	well I bet the the original poster is even more confused now.. Maybe we can ask the rules committee for a ruling (kidding)

05-16-2010, 08:02 PM	#15
romulus22 0 0 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FT. Thomas Posts: 1,830	heck i just go off of what they call the dig when i bought it. i really dont know either i guess

05-16-2010, 08:06 PM	#16
BigB_117 RCC Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Sebastopol CA Posts: 1,525	well sh!t... maybe we should've checked the" glossary of terms for noobs" thread.. (I didn't even know we had one till now, just noticed it because it jumped to the top of the new posts list) RC Crawler Glossary of Terms <i>"Dig A feature of the drivetrain that allows a driver to enguage only the front or rear axle while the other axle is left to freewheel or is locked. When the front axle is being driven, this is "front dig." When the rear axle is driven, it's "rear dig." Dig is used to negotiate tight turns and avoid reverse penalties."</i>

05-16-2010, 08:07 PM	#17
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	I have always ( I been wheeling 1-1 for over 40 years) used dig and burn interchangeably and no one has ever disagreed or been confused. Front dig/burn = front wheels spinning, rear not. Rear dig/burn = rear wheels turning, front not. As far as I'm concerned any thing else is crazy talk.

05-16-2010, 09:39 PM	#19
romulus22 0 0 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: FT. Thomas Posts: 1,830	yeah

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05-16-2010, 09:51 PM	#20
Grizzly4x4 PapaGriz Yo Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: In the garage building the wife a crawler Posts: 13,137	Front dig = front burn. Front tires powered, rear tires locked or spinning freely. Rear dig = rear burn. Rear tires powered, front tires locked or spinning freely.

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