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ctracy · 07-20-2010, 11:05 PM

anyone got any insight on which is better. Motors on axles or using two "standard" axles and transmision? Seems MOA would have more clearance but since I am new to this I figured I would ask. tried searching threads but had no luck with the way I was wording my search. Thanks in advance. Also anyone form the kansas city area that knows of places to go watch/compete?

Fattymojo · 07-20-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ctracy

anyone got any insight on which is better. Motors on axles or using two "standard" axles and transmision? Seems MOA would have more clearance but since I am new to this I figured I would ask. tried searching threads but had no luck with the way I was wording my search. Thanks in advance. Also anyone form the kansas city area that knows of places to go watch/compete?

This is a question you will have to answer for yourself. The shafty guys will say shafty and MOA will say MOA. I have both and really like both. Get out to a local comp and see which one looks more appealing to you.

skkeeter · 07-20-2010, 11:50 PM

The MOA are by far the most popular rigs that win comps. Just google some crawler comps and see what kind of rigs people are running. MOA all the way. Not to say that a shafty won't work, but I started with Losi comp crawlers and moved on to a Berg which blows the Losi out of the water.

Disclaimer: I would get my arse handed to me running my berg against a pro with a shafty!! The driver is really what makes a crawler, but the MOA can do so much more IMHO.

bob1961 · 07-21-2010, 12:24 AM

MOA's are for people who need an edge and can't learn to drive shafties

.........bob

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Thorsteenster · 07-21-2010, 07:19 AM

No torque twist with MOA's.

oldhippie · 07-21-2010, 07:57 AM

This is an ford/chevy thing to alot of guys but the fact is, bergs win more comps than axials or losis. If ya plan to comp seriously get an moa. If ya just want to bash in the backyard or with your buddies, an axial is a pretty bulletproof rig with tons of aftermarket support. Of course crawling is more about driver than rig but a better rig can make a poor driver do better.

ctracy · 07-21-2010, 08:25 AM

lots of good info guys. I wish i could find a local place to watch some comps. To me the axials look more realistic as well as it appears to have more options as far as gear ratio but then again I am sure u can change gearing on MOA's as well otherwise they wouldn't be so popular. I understand the driver makes the rig. Ever see an ugly girl in a convertable and a hot chick in a chevette? Now I have to find out what a berg is. I thought there were two basic designs...MOA and shafties. Bob......you made me laugh.

Reflection · 07-21-2010, 08:33 AM

MOA... comp
Shaftie... scale/rock racer

Stormin2u · 07-21-2010, 09:03 AM

Check your local club as many are starting to favor the West Coast Championship rules regarding classes which offerers a pro shaft class. IMO this created a level playing field for the competition of shaft trucks. This still allows you to compete in the Open class against MOAs with a shaft truck if you wish. If your local club strictly follows the USRCCA class rules I would recommend that you get a MOA.

rc_pimp · 07-21-2010, 09:09 AM

The Berg is a moa truck . Most notably axles because people tend to use different chassis . Its just a brand , all be it one of the better moa's . As for the debate , I would say it comes down to preference and expense . How much money do you have ? Moa's are generally more expensive . Shafties have less electronics and gears to replace . You can stay on a budget with the moa but a budget shafty will be cheaper . I prefer moa because they seem to be more capable with my driving style . I use shafties for general bashing and trail runs where I might find some water or mud though .

JeremyH · 07-21-2010, 02:42 PM

I say go for the best of both worlds.....MOA rear, shafty front!

jwo · 07-21-2010, 02:54 PM

i have both styles of rigs. i prefer my moa over my shafty. personal preference. moa's are more capable, but a shafty can be just as good if set up right. i have seen some shaftys pull off some nice lines. when my shafty really started to shine was after underdrive gears were installed along with a dig.

kasper · 07-21-2010, 02:58 PM

They both serv there own purpose i like the moa myself and i also like my shafty

Harley · 07-21-2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ctracy

Also anyone form the kansas city area that knows of places to go watch/compete?

Check the Missouri section. We have a KCRC thread that is very active. We have a pretty good club here.

Oh and MOA is by far better without any sort of question. Anyone who says different has been dropped on their head

Chi Town · 07-21-2010, 04:06 PM

I am fairly new to crawling as well. Have only been doing it for a few months. I started with a MOA Bully. IMO it is definitely a driving preference but MOAs are definitely a lot more popular in my area. MOAs are also more capable and have a HUGE aftermarket for support.

IMO go MOA. Then the real decision is Bully or Berg. Bully is a little cheaper to get up and running, but both are very solid.

You could also wait for the new Axial MOA to come out and go for that.

Good luck and most of all, have fun!!

ctracy · 07-21-2010, 08:51 PM

definately decided on the MOA to start. although i like the bashing prospects of shafty. I.E. mud and water. fund wise am gonna get the rs10 to start out and go from there. eventually want to build my own frame. That's wherethe shafty also come to play. I like what I have seen so far on shafties as far as frames go. Harley....I am gonna check out the missouri section and see what's going on in kc area. can't wait.

TexasSP · 07-22-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

I say go for the best of both worlds.....MOA rear, shafty front!

I would love to see that in person.

JeremyH · 07-22-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasSP

I would love to see that in person.

Is that a challenge?

Harley · 07-22-2010, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ctracy

definately decided on the MOA to start. although i like the bashing prospects of shafty. I.E. mud and water. fund wise am gonna get the rs10 to start out and go from there. eventually want to build my own frame. That's wherethe shafty also come to play. I like what I have seen so far on shafties as far as frames go. Harley....I am gonna check out the missouri section and see what's going on in kc area. can't wait.

Please, please do not buy the RS10!! There are so much better ways to get into MOA, such as a used bully rig or the new XR10 when it's available. The RS10 is a waste of money sadly and all the frustration can easly make someone lose interest and fall out of the hobby.

The shafties are an absolute blast to bash, but a basher is going to be setup differently than a comp rig anyway so you would end up needing two seperate trucks anyway in reality. An SCX10 is one of the best little bashers I have ever owned.

K.O.M. · 07-22-2010, 02:27 PM

As a first crawler, I would pick from these two lists:

Shafty:

-Axial AX10
-Losi Nightcrawler/Comp Crawler
-Venom Creeper or Kyosho Rock Force (if you are adventurous)
-G-Made R1

MOA:

-Bully (can be had as a complete kit or axles only)
-Berg (can be had as a complete kit or axles only)

I'm sorry, but I've pretty much driven the rest and you will pull your hair out and drain your bank account trying to make the other kits even come close to the crawlers above.

The problem with the rest of the kits are that there is very little you can do unless you can fab your own parts if you want to upgrade later on.

If you are undecided, about getting a scaler or crawler, you can go with the in-between route and get either the HPI Crawler King or Tamiya CR01. Both of which are a blast to drive and have a litttle aftermarket support.

That RS10 maybe MOA, but stock vs. stock, a Losi Nightcrawler or even an AX10 RTC will run circles around that thing in a comp.

07-20-2010, 11:05 PM	#1
ctracy Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Independence Posts: 368	MOA versus driveshaft/transmission anyone got any insight on which is better. Motors on axles or using two "standard" axles and transmision? Seems MOA would have more clearance but since I am new to this I figured I would ask. tried searching threads but had no luck with the way I was wording my search. Thanks in advance. Also anyone form the kansas city area that knows of places to go watch/compete?

07-22-2010, 02:27 PM	#20
K.O.M. Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SF East Bay Posts: 451	As a first crawler, I would pick from these two lists: Shafty: -Axial AX10 -Losi Nightcrawler/Comp Crawler -Venom Creeper or Kyosho Rock Force (if you are adventurous) -G-Made R1 MOA: -Bully (can be had as a complete kit or axles only) -Berg (can be had as a complete kit or axles only) I'm sorry, but I've pretty much driven the rest and you will pull your hair out and drain your bank account trying to make the other kits even come close to the crawlers above. The problem with the rest of the kits are that there is very little you can do unless you can fab your own parts if you want to upgrade later on. If you are undecided, about getting a scaler or crawler, you can go with the in-between route and get either the HPI Crawler King or Tamiya CR01. Both of which are a blast to drive and have a litttle aftermarket support. That RS10 maybe MOA, but stock vs. stock, a Losi Nightcrawler or even an AX10 RTC will run circles around that thing in a comp. Last edited by K.O.M.; 07-22-2010 at 02:36 PM.

07-20-2010, 11:50 PM	#3
skkeeter Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Shelter Cove Posts: 115	The MOA are by far the most popular rigs that win comps. Just google some crawler comps and see what kind of rigs people are running. MOA all the way. Not to say that a shafty won't work, but I started with Losi comp crawlers and moved on to a Berg which blows the Losi out of the water. Disclaimer: I would get my arse handed to me running my berg against a pro with a shafty!! The driver is really what makes a crawler, but the MOA can do so much more IMHO.

07-21-2010, 12:24 AM	#4
bob1961 I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wayne county. PA Posts: 2,507	MOA's are for people who need an edge and can't learn to drive shafties .........bob ....

07-21-2010, 07:19 AM	#5
Thorsteenster I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 3,377	No torque twist with MOA's.

07-21-2010, 07:57 AM	#6
oldhippie I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: 20 miles southeeast of downtown Sacramento Posts: 2,373	This is an ford/chevy thing to alot of guys but the fact is, bergs win more comps than axials or losis. If ya plan to comp seriously get an moa. If ya just want to bash in the backyard or with your buddies, an axial is a pretty bulletproof rig with tons of aftermarket support. Of course crawling is more about driver than rig but a better rig can make a poor driver do better.

07-21-2010, 08:25 AM	#7
ctracy Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Independence Posts: 368	lots of good info guys. I wish i could find a local place to watch some comps. To me the axials look more realistic as well as it appears to have more options as far as gear ratio but then again I am sure u can change gearing on MOA's as well otherwise they wouldn't be so popular. I understand the driver makes the rig. Ever see an ugly girl in a convertable and a hot chick in a chevette? Now I have to find out what a berg is. I thought there were two basic designs...MOA and shafties. Bob......you made me laugh.

07-21-2010, 08:33 AM	#8
Reflection TEAM MODERATOR Join Date: May 2004 Location: Tennessee Posts: 10,855	MOA... comp Shaftie... scale/rock racer

07-21-2010, 09:03 AM	#9
Stormin2u I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew. Posts: 7,843	Check your local club as many are starting to favor the West Coast Championship rules regarding classes which offerers a pro shaft class. IMO this created a level playing field for the competition of shaft trucks. This still allows you to compete in the Open class against MOAs with a shaft truck if you wish. If your local club strictly follows the USRCCA class rules I would recommend that you get a MOA.

07-21-2010, 09:09 AM	#10
rc_pimp Quarry Creeper Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Natchez Posts: 410	The Berg is a moa truck . Most notably axles because people tend to use different chassis . Its just a brand , all be it one of the better moa's . As for the debate , I would say it comes down to preference and expense . How much money do you have ? Moa's are generally more expensive . Shafties have less electronics and gears to replace . You can stay on a budget with the moa but a budget shafty will be cheaper . I prefer moa because they seem to be more capable with my driving style . I use shafties for general bashing and trail runs where I might find some water or mud though .

07-21-2010, 02:42 PM	#11
JeremyH I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 16,952	I say go for the best of both worlds.....MOA rear, shafty front!

07-21-2010, 02:54 PM	#12
jwo Rock Crawler Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: waterville Posts: 525	i have both styles of rigs. i prefer my moa over my shafty. personal preference. moa's are more capable, but a shafty can be just as good if set up right. i have seen some shaftys pull off some nice lines. when my shafty really started to shine was after underdrive gears were installed along with a dig.

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07-21-2010, 02:58 PM	#13
kasper I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: appleton Posts: 2,067	They both serv there own purpose i like the moa myself and i also like my shafty

07-21-2010, 04:06 PM	#15
Chi Town Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: CSRA Posts: 171	I am fairly new to crawling as well. Have only been doing it for a few months. I started with a MOA Bully. IMO it is definitely a driving preference but MOAs are definitely a lot more popular in my area. MOAs are also more capable and have a HUGE aftermarket for support. IMO go MOA. Then the real decision is Bully or Berg. Bully is a little cheaper to get up and running, but both are very solid. You could also wait for the new Axial MOA to come out and go for that. Good luck and most of all, have fun!!

07-21-2010, 08:51 PM	#16
ctracy Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Independence Posts: 368	definately decided on the MOA to start. although i like the bashing prospects of shafty. I.E. mud and water. fund wise am gonna get the rs10 to start out and go from there. eventually want to build my own frame. That's wherethe shafty also come to play. I like what I have seen so far on shafties as far as frames go. Harley....I am gonna check out the missouri section and see what's going on in kc area. can't wait.

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