12-30-2011, 07:13 PM | #1 |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Walnut Grove
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| clod stall
what is clod stall? is that where one axle turns and the other doesnt in a bind? how do i fix it? |
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12-30-2011, 10:52 PM | #2 |
www.ottsix.com Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico USA
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| Re: clod stall
The lions share the power is going to go the axle experiencing the least resistance, causing the other axle to partially or completely stall. Most drivers use this to their advantage but if you run two esc's, and have the correct tx, you can control it and get an even larger advantage. The M3 esc is the only single esc that can do this (that I know of), but I've found that most drivers will use 2.
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12-31-2011, 09:03 AM | #3 |
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| Re: clod stall
so i need a second esc to make it go away? i want all 4 tires to turn when i pull the trigger.
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12-31-2011, 09:19 AM | #4 |
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| Re: clod stall
you could just get a 13t pinion for the front and a 14t pinion for the rear. that would help or get a faster motor for the front 35t and 45t for the rear (same pinon count) |
12-31-2011, 09:20 AM | #5 | |
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| Re: clod stall Quote:
If it's a MOA, do you run dual ESC's or a single ESC with a "dig"? There are a few ways to "fix"/lessen clod stall. Change timing on the motor Change pinion gear (different gear front & rear) Change settings in dual ESC's ETC. | |
12-31-2011, 10:38 AM | #6 |
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12-31-2011, 10:40 PM | #7 |
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12-31-2011, 11:58 PM | #8 |
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| Re: clod stall
I had terrible clod stall when I first went moa and tried every trick on here. Every rig is different but this is what I ended up with... same turn motors f/r one tooth higher in the front higher degree timing in the rear heavy springs on the front motor/lighter springs on the rear motor This setup didn't eliminate the clod stall completely but it's to the point that's it's no longer an issue. |
01-01-2012, 09:16 AM | #9 |
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| Re: clod stall
its a moa and my electronics, motors, and gears are stock. how would clocking the axle help?
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01-01-2012, 12:37 PM | #10 |
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| Re: clod stall
In this context, clocking your axles won't help anything. In other contexts, clocking the front will change how your rig steers and clocking the rear will get the motor up and out of the way, but will also screw with your CG.
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01-01-2012, 03:47 PM | #11 | |
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| Re: clod stall Quote:
Clocking axles has an effect on CoG/CG & handling, it has NOTHING to do with clod stall. | |
01-01-2012, 07:21 PM | #12 |
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01-02-2012, 01:08 AM | #13 |
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| Re: clod stall
Just try the pinions first...it's a cheap enough trick, if it doesn't work, you're only out a few bucks. What motors (how many turns) are you running?
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01-02-2012, 06:56 AM | #14 | |
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| Re: clod stall Quote:
Differences between ESC's, different wire length (ESC to motor), variations between motors, different gear mesh, etc., all can help/hurt clod stall. | |
01-02-2012, 06:32 PM | #15 |
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| Re: clod stall
i have no idea what turn my motors are. is there a way i can measure them? whatever comes stock in a madtorque.
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01-02-2012, 07:48 PM | #16 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: 07456 N. NJ USofA
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| Re: clod stall Quote:
It's not on a label outside Stamped/engraved on the shaft Printed on the armature Yes, some are fairly common for a specific rig that comes as a RTR or ARTR set-up. I have no clue what a MadTorque comes with stock. | |
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