What happened to comp style crawlers?

[Ditchrat]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

. Scale points is the equalizer for the 'tards to keep up with the average.


That's what happens when the idiots run the asylum. "My rig sucks but it looks bad ass so I should get a trophy too!"

My daily nugget of golden truth.

[kincer]

For me I like the scale side of things but I have nothing against the comp rigs, they are amazing for what they can do. Personally I just like to run my truck, yeah I like to make it look good but before I do all that I wanna tweak it to the max and do it as cheaply as possible not just throw a bunch of parts on it, I like fabbing my own stuff that makes a difference in how it works. I don't comp anymore, always somebody that takes the fun out of it, I used to race carpet but again somebody took the fun out of that by being over competitive over a small amount gift card to the local hobby shop. Enough of that rant, anyhow I enjoy the hobby of building and running toy trucks.

[JohnRobHolmes]

Originally Posted by svt923

This 100%.

I would love to build a proper 2.2 shafty but 99.5% of the terrain around me is can be conquered fairly easily with a SCX10 on 4.75 tires. My Bomber barely gets driven because it makes everything too easy, what would I do with something even more capable?

I have this problem too, 2.2s are practically too capable without being tricky about setting up the course. Australia has been running various 1.9 classes for a long time, and since they are hosting there is going to be 1.9 shafty class as well. Rules look like they would be a fantastic base for a 1.9 shafty class in the US or elsewhere. Since the highest part availability is based around 1.9 wheels, it would really make sense to adapt something like this. I think they could be simplified and keep focus though.


1 General Specs
• 1.1 Vehicles should represent a vehicle that has been modified to become a capable trail rated rig and is not necessarily street legal.

• 1.2 Vehicles must run a minimum full body from the grill to the B-pillar. Wheel arches may be radius'ed or trimmed for clearance. Where the vehicle is run in a cab-only configuration any kind of rear body design is acceptable. Chassis must have frame or bar work, bare chassis and shock hops is not acceptable.

• 1.3 All vehicles shall have the motor, transmission, and electronics covered and hidden when viewed from above.
Removal of the roof is allowed so long as a roll cage/half interior is fitted.

• 1.4 The body must be (3"/76.42mm) longer than the wheelbase.

• 1.5 A front bumper is required and must be wider than the chassis. Bumpers that are moulded into the body qualify. Chassis mounted bumpers need to project forward at least 3mm past the body.

• 1.6 Sectioning or narrowing of the body is allowed from the A-Pillar Forward and the B-Pillar Backward. But the body must still follow reference 1.2 and 1.8.

• 1.7 Body / Cage work must be at least 4.5"/114mm minimum height.

• 1.8 The inner wall of front tyres, measured at the axle centre must be covered by bodywork when viewed from above at rest. Flares can be added to the body to obtain coverage.

• 1.9 Minimum body width is 5”/127mm at the A pillar.

2 Tyres/Wheels

• 2.1 Vehicles are limited to 1.9 inch wheels/rims or smaller at the bead surface. 122mm / 4.8" maximum external diameter. Tyre size will be determined by advertised manufacturer specs. (Tires without available specs will be measured off the truck as mounted on the wheel laid flat).

• 2.2 Modified tyres ARE ALLOWED so long as they meet the above specifications and start out with a commercially available 1.9 Tyre Tread Pattern.

• 2.3 Tyres MAY also be modified from other sized tires using ONLY a pliable rubber but must meet rule 2.1. Pin tyres are not permitted.

• 2.4 A maximum width of 50mm from side wall to side wall Tires without available specs will be measured off the truck as mounted on the wheel laid flat) See Rule 2.1

• 2.5 Siping, grooving, cutting and removal of lugs is allowed.

3 Drive train

• 3.1 Vehicles are limited to front wheel steering only.

• 3.2 Vehicles must be shaft driven only and powered by a single motor. No "Motor On Axle" (MOA) of any kind. Your axles must be driven by one transmission or transfer case and a minimum of two drive shafts . No separate throttle control of drive shafts or axles.

• 3.3 No front or rear digs are allowed. Drive may be disconnected from the front axle only (for example, shifting from 4WD to RWD), but locking of the free axle is not allowed.

4 Chassis

• 4.1 Vehicles must be built on a plate, C-channel, or tub style chassis. Chassis must extend in one continuous length from the front axle centreline to the B-pillar as defined by the body. TVP chassis are not permitted.

• 4.2 Vehicle wheelbase is to fit the dimensions of the body used. In the instance a tray back is fitted, the wheelbase will be approximately defined as between double the distance of the front axle to the A-pillar and double the distance of the front axle to the B-pillar.

• 4.3 Batteries must be mounted to the chassis.

• 4.4 The section of the chassis that counts as the one continuous length must also have the skid plate attached to it directly.

[Cbd23]

I live in Utah where there's a lot of rock and slickrock areas so I think there's plenty of terrain to keep things challenging, even for a comp crawler, at least a low budget comp crawler. My son's everest 10 can't tackle a lot of the rock we've been messing with, so that is what makes me interested in MOA rigs.

[Browneye]

MOA and 'comp rigs' are popular up here in the high desert. Seems very competitive and active, although I have not been to one of their events. They certainly invite any newcomers to come join them.

[HumboldtEF]

I recently got an MOA in a sort of RC estate sale and it really doesn't interest me too much due to being too damn capable.

[tapped-out]

Originally Posted by Browneye

MOA and 'comp rigs' are popular up here in the high desert. Seems very competitive and active, although I have not been to one of their events. They certainly invite any newcomers to come join them.

Absolutely Border line crawlers is going strong 2.2pro 2.2 sporty might even try a couple scale comp courses (class 2) this Saturday.
C'mon out and join us @ horsemans park apple valley ca.
Will be there 7am till at least 2-4pm.

[Browneye]

Horseman's center park, for those unfamiliar, is the Proline By The Fire event site - it's an awesome place to run rigs.

I'm going to a poker run Sunday out west of there in Pear Blossom, otherwise I would come up for that as well. Should'a drove the RV out for the weekend again. Dayum.

[tapped-out]

Good luck @ the poker run sunday.. poker runs seem to be the happening thing lately here locally.

[Tossedman]

Originally Posted by Cbd23

I'm new to the crawler world and it seems like I missed the good ol' days by a few years when multiple companies were making comp style crawlers. Is the scale world just so popular that everyone lost interest in this style? I know the really expensive comp crawlers are still available but others like the xr10 and ax10 are long gone. Yes I know there are still a few making them but they're bargain brands. I like the semi scale looks of the xr10 trucks, too bad I missed them!

Go get yourself one of these. They’re fun. It’d be a blast on those Utah rocks.

[fyrstormer]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

****ing scale points...

Having a pile of stuff on the roof isn't scale anyway. The more the truck leans to the side, the more leverage those items on the roof have to make the truck lean even more, and even real trucks with heavy steel frames will fall over if you put too much weight up high. The guys with tons of stuff strapped to the roof of their scale rig are overdoing it, and it's okay for them to lose the competition as a result.

[fyrstormer]

Originally Posted by kincer

For me I like the scale side of things but I have nothing against the comp rigs, they are amazing for what they can do. Personally I just like to run my truck, yeah I like to make it look good but before I do all that I wanna tweak it to the max and do it as cheaply as possible not just throw a bunch of parts on it, I like fabbing my own stuff that makes a difference in how it works. I don't comp anymore, always somebody that takes the fun out of it, I used to race carpet but again somebody took the fun out of that by being over competitive over a small amount gift card to the local hobby shop. Enough of that rant, anyhow I enjoy the hobby of building and running toy trucks.

That's why I generally refuse to do anything competitively. There is always someone channeling the angry caveman in the back of their mind, or attempting to make up for their fundamental inadequacies as a human being, by pouring all their pent-up rage into being the best at something that is supposed to be fun. Then, because public-school teaches kids that the person who fights back is more wrong than the person who starts the fight in the first place, everyone else gets more upset at you for speaking up to tell the hypercompetitive jerk to knock it off, than they do at the hypercompetitive jerk himself. So the hypercompetitive jerks end up owning all competitive spaces eventually.

I'd love to get together with RCers and drive our toy cars and admire each other's skills and exchange advice, but those events always end up becoming competitive eventually. I take my need to excel and I channel it into my work; when I'm having fun, I don't care who's the best; I'm not at work, and RCing (or biking, or playing videogames, or anything else I do that can possibly be a social activity) isn't my damn job.

[Hal]

I do comp crawling every Tuesday and we welcome anybody to come and join us. I will even loan one of my MOA to someone who would like to try it. Lately more and more are interested in the shaftys because they are closer to the scalers they run now. I still feel as in 1:1 shows the concours and crawling competition should be seperate events. The points do not carry over to the other. If I build a rig for go and one for show they would definately be way diferent rigs. I used to build models to a high detail of scale and loved to see other vehicles done to the same degree. I still like to see the "scalers" but its not my thing anymore, not to mention my grandkids would destroy them. We also get the a$$hats that show up with attitude but if we all shut them down in the beginning it doesnt become a problem. Standing up to a bully has never been a problem for me. I refuse to let them ruin my day, I just consider the source and move on. Scalers are a great place for anyone to start and move on from there or continue. There is so much more to RC keep your interest. Dont let the downers get to you it is what YOU make it

[indybama]

Its all in fun. I havent been to a comp yet, if i ever go lol. Id love to go check out axialfest atleast one time. But as of now, i havent run into anybody that has crawlers around here. But i get out n run by myself for now. Workin on gettin my boys into it. But its all about havin fun, checkin out others trucks, n the challenge of it all. No need to get competetive or angry cause u couldnt go where another could. Just find another route, use your whinch, or ask nicely n im sure somebody would help pull/push u over the obstacle. As far as the comp style (moa), just not my cup of tea. Id rather run a trail/crawler style like a scx10/10.2, trx4, or the likes of. JMHO

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[Hal]

I went from fast to crawling. I was into 1/12 and 1/10 on road. I love the slow road. I do have some scaler stuff that I use for bashing. Will do some scale comps next summer probably. I do like competition as well as just getting out for fun. I think comping makes me a better driver. My trail rigs are a SCX10, TF2 SWB, and a Cross Demon c. I like to go out with my grandsons and they are a bit young for their own yet. Its funny because they have totaly opposite driving styles. One is wide open all the time the other is more tecnical. But its all for fun with them or even when I am comping. I live in New England and there is all kinds of different trails to run on.

[Col_Sanders]

I don't think comp crawling is dead. Vegas is running a C3 and Sporty comp series for the first time in years. I'd probably buy an XR-10 if I stumbled upon a good deal.

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

That's what happens when the idiots run the asylum. "My rig sucks but it looks bad ass so I should get a trophy too!"

On one hand, I really like the scale points. Makes you balance looks and performance. On the other hand, I want all that scale crap off my truck so it performs better. Maybe simply reducing the maximum points down a bit would make it better all around. They can't please everyone no matter what they do, but each year the rules seem to get worse.

Our local group isn't doing scale points on C1 or C2 this year but I think they are using the normal SORRCA guidelines for each class and requiring a few scale accessories on each rig. I am on a bit of a hiatus so I haven't been out to any of the comps yet to see how it is working out.

[Browneye]

Originally Posted by Col_Sanders

Our local group isn't doing scale points on C1 or C2 this year but I think they are using the normal SORRCA guidelines for each class and requiring a few scale accessories on each rig. I am on a bit of a hiatus so I haven't been out to any of the comps yet to see how it is working out.

Ours are too. Focus on driving.

And quite a few 'poker-runs' instead of comps. They're fun, just different.

Should be a good year coming up - a ton of activity here in so-cal - pretty much every weekend if you're willing to drive - it's a big area.

[Hkguy00]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

It's a 2 way street. In scale most don't care about performance but looks are sthuper important. 3 lbs of garbage zip tied to the roof rack and a doll "driver".

In comp performance is king, sporty bodies are consumables and tuning makes or breaks a rig.


Basically it's all a movie set. On one side you have models all pretty and proper and on the other porn stars. They look similar at a glance but only one relies on performance to win the day.

Things can get weird if they come together since it's the same basic thing but drastically different ways to go about it.

Old Comp rigs look ridiculous or should I say 4 wheels with a piece of metal around them. Has anyone ever seen anything in real life that resembles anything that looks like those goofy looking things. Inmean seriously no C-Chassis they can twist & torque in half like a toy , thats as fake as it gets its boring just a waste of my time & my money!!........... what people enjoy nowdays since we've had time to learn & grow through the years, is people want to build a Truck that actually looks like a Truck a Real life truck, not a bug or a toy.... .. Most people actually want to be challenged when building scale comps & when ďriving scale comps, we're not looking for toys that resemble insects that can twist & torque 2 ways til sunday & crawl over anything thats not a challenge anyone can build that, besides Ive yet to see a real life truck look like or do that. in my opinion its stupid & takes the challenge out of crawling its like cheating.. , not to mention the motors the esc the axles & parts that are going in these modern day rigs put that old garbage to shame........Scale Crawling is the way to go if you actually want challenged & want to see how good a builder & driver you are anyone can build the whatever they were of old (they resemble BUGS) so if your into no challenge go old school build a spider a bug whatever they are & run through every course w/ ease. but like I said if you want a challenge build a 10th scale rig under the sorrca guidelines & get your ass handed to you then you'll see what a challenge really is...

[Dezertdirt]

Holy zombie thread batman. You do realize that the last post was 2 years ago and most likely the person whose post you are quoting has already made a decision.

Have you ever driven a comp rig? They require real rocks unlike scalers. Now, I dare you find someone who has comp rig and ask them if you can run it for a little while. You might find your bias unfounded, and be surprised by how fun they can be. If your not challenged by a comp rig then you not trying hard enough, you just need to find harder lines. Try not hate on thing you haven't tried, now go post your builds.

[Greatscott]

Originally Posted by Hkguy00

just a waste of my time & my money!!...........

Here is the key thing... If you don't like it, don't spend your money on it.

Originally Posted by Hkguy00

but like I said if you want a challenge build a 10th scale rig under the sorrca guidelines & get your ass handed to you then you'll see what a challenge really is...

You have no clue as to what you are talking about here. You obviously have never driven (or likely seen in person) a comp rig, but you have the audacity to say that a scale rig is more of a challenge. How about getting some experience first.

But, this is the "Newbie" section of the forum... Uninformed statements are, for the most part, expected.

Originally Posted by Dezertdirt

Holy zombie thread batman. You do realize that the last post was 2 years ago and most likely the person whose post you are quoting has already made a decision.

Have you ever driven a comp rig? They require real rocks unlike scalers. Now, I dare you find someone who has comp rig and ask them if you can run it for a little while. You might find your bias unfounded, and be surprised by how fun they can be. If your not challenged by a comp rig then you not trying hard enough, you just need to find harder lines. Try not hate on thing you haven't tried, now go post your builds.

Meh... at least he did a search, its still a valid topic. At least he didn't dig up an old Novak thread and is asking were to buy an M2.