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07-10-2007, 09:43 AM | #21 |
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| and see that is what I mean..have you even seen my rig crawl?? and I wasnt compairing my rig to your rig I was compairing it to my other rigs..I have seen your build im not to hot on it..I have seen the vids you posted o btw all the super rig I have had have been using knuckle packs and the same tires and rims.. like I was saying one will say one thing and another will say another..there is no "best" chassis every chassis can be good or great..if links get in the way then how can the sw2 or sw3 brake over so well. it has alot to do with the rig setup and weight and where the weight is |
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07-10-2007, 09:45 AM | #22 |
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07-10-2007, 09:55 AM | #23 | |
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Either way, nothing I said had ANYTHING to do with my rig. It simply compared STICK, TORSION(pimp cane, i presume)and HUSTLER's. That is what I answered to. | |
07-10-2007, 09:56 AM | #24 | |
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Your right, but he asked about a HUSTLER. Look how much shorter the rear links are, the fact he has digs, also notice his shock placement is towards axle giving much needed stability over the Hustler's design. ETC ETC. | |
07-10-2007, 10:00 AM | #25 |
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I have both a Stick and a Hustler. With equal mods the Stick, by design, will have the performance advantage with the same driver. CG is lower, breakover is better, etc. Is the Hustler a nice chassis? Yes. But if you really want to be competitive with the Hustler you'll need to spend some time tweaking the suspension. By tweaking I don't mean playing with link geometry (no options to do so on either the Stick or Hustler) I mean messing with shock oils, limiting travel (droop), and adding weight to the axles to counter the added weight of the tube frame. Out of the package the Stick will give you better performance, but neither rig will perform well if you can't drive. I wish the Hustler had attachment points front and rear for folks to attach limit straps. I hate using zip-ties to limit travel...looks like an afterthought. Bottom line...if you want a Super tuber, get a Hustler. If you want to compete and you still want a tuber, get some wheel time and start tuning. Learn to drive the truck. It'll only be as good as the driver. Last edited by JasonInAugusta; 07-10-2007 at 10:03 AM. |
07-10-2007, 10:04 AM | #26 |
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07-10-2007, 10:04 AM | #27 |
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07-10-2007, 10:06 AM | #28 |
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You sure have a good way with words! |
07-10-2007, 10:33 AM | #29 |
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07-10-2007, 11:56 AM | #30 |
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Interesting replies. Many thanks for the input guys. I can't say that I've ever had the chance to drive anything but my own Clod and TXT-1, which were more like backyard bashers then a crawlers. There are no comps. local to me, so I can only base my decisions off of people's comments who actually own the two different chassis's. Personally, I prefer 4 links, and that is why I tend to like the Hustler more. Maybe I should ask, if the Hustler the best 4 link crawler out there? I'm not opposed to a stick chassis, but I don't know that it's for me. I guess the stick will probably always have the best breakover angle. What I'd like to do is design and develope a chassis of my own that is 4 linked, but has a greater breakover angle. However, that may be a while and I am currently crawler-less, hence my interest in getting another truck together so I can run for fun, but just because it's for fun, doesn't mean I don't want the best performance I can get. Another question - I assume the Hustler gets over the tough stuff, when high centered, simply by dragging itself over the rocks? Of course it's center clearance isn't as good as a Stick, but with the droop suspension, the axles drop low enough that the tires get traction. I see what you mean, Jason, when you say you need to tune the suspension and weight on the axles of a Hustler. |
07-10-2007, 12:31 PM | #31 | ||
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The sticks, and torsions are both great chassis as can be seen by the number of comp wins racked up by each. There have also been several comps, as well as series, won by the Hustler. It really boils down to personal preferance and driving ability as to which will come out on top at any given event. Why not get one of each. | ||
07-10-2007, 12:36 PM | #32 |
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07-10-2007, 12:41 PM | #33 | |
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Last comp, all top 5 were SW2 clods. Last edited by 666; 07-10-2007 at 12:44 PM. | |
07-10-2007, 01:05 PM | #34 |
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I RAN A SW-2 CHASSIS AT the donner comp it did really good but i broke the servo horn so i only come in the top 16th place not bad.
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07-10-2007, 01:16 PM | #35 | |
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On a traditional chassis, you still have to top it with what can be a fair bit of body weight, depending on which you use. Just a data point.....a 10' stick of 3/16 x .035" tube weighs about 9 oz. Jay | |
07-10-2007, 03:10 PM | #36 |
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I have been running a CFNN in the last couple PARC comps and have been having fun! I have a hustler I am building and will bring to the next comp, and let people that know how to drive drive it and see what they think. As Jay can attest I suck and no chassis is going to change that, so my opinion doesn't much matter, but PARC has some good drivers and I would love to see what they think of the rig.
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07-10-2007, 07:22 PM | #37 |
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07-10-2007, 08:30 PM | #38 | |
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That sounds like the best advice! Plus, how freaking cool do those chassis' look! "Turd" haha, just funny. | |
07-10-2007, 09:04 PM | #39 |
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| Personally, I prefer 4 links, and that is why I tend to like the Hustler more. Maybe I should ask, if the Hustler the best 4 link crawler out there? I'm not opposed to a stick chassis, but I don't know that it's for me....QUOTE... Than just buy one (hustler) and drive it. YES IT WILL BE THE BEST ONE BECAUSE YOU ARE CRAWLING BY YOURSELF Just tell yourself when you get done driving it that your the best your truck is the best and gosh darn it people like me JUST GET ONE AND HAVE FUN |
07-10-2007, 09:47 PM | #40 |
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| I agree, its way to broad to define something. It'll never please everyone. Ive thought that all along, thats why I thought it was funny that Unimoger pointed it out.
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