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Rockpiledriver · 07-11-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by noob_superman

actually it is correct, ill measure them when i get home from work.

So what happened?

FrankyRizzo · 07-12-2007, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockpiledriver

So what happened?

Must have forgotten his tape measure.

Espeefan · 07-12-2007, 11:51 PM

Alright guys, thanks for the info.

One more question, regarding these droop suspension crawlers. They run internal shock springs. Do the springs go on the piston end or the rod end of the shocks?

JasonInAugusta · 07-13-2007, 06:56 AM

Not all of them run internal springs. I have two here that don't use springs.

Those that do run internal springs install them so that they cause the shock to retract...putting the spiring under the piston.

Espeefan · 07-13-2007, 08:52 AM

I see. So most times it's nothing more then the shear weight of the axles that cause the suspension to droop or articulate - like the rocks falling out from beneath them. There really isn't anything to force the axles down, unless the crawler has independent front/rear speed controllers and you throttle the rear motor to bunch up the slack in the suspension? The belly must drag a lot when the suspension droops.

raytard · 07-13-2007, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Espeefan

The belly must drag a lot when the suspension droops.

Can the Hustler conquer anything a Stick can?

rockwerks · 07-13-2007, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Espeefan

I see. So most times it's nothing more then the shear weight of the axles that cause the suspension to droop or articulate - like the rocks falling out from beneath them. There really isn't anything to force the axles down, unless the crawler has independent front/rear speed controllers and you throttle the rear motor to bunch up the slack in the suspension? The belly must drag a lot when the suspension droops.

actually on a rigid axle truck and the droop suspension the opposite side of teh axle also plays a major factor in the suspension travel. as that tire you mentioned before the rocks fall away the weight of the wheel tire combo forces down the tire but so does the force applied to the opposite tire on that axle.

Espeefan · 07-13-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by raytard

Can the Hustler conquer anything a Stick can?

Wise guy!

I read that reply, but it doesn't make sense to me in all situations, because if the axles, simply following the terrian, is what makes the suspension droop, then what happens when you are climbing a ledge head on, but perpendicular to the truck? The front tires climb up onto the ledge. The chassis approaches the ledge. The front tires continue to roll forward, and the chassis high centers itself. The chassis belly would hit, but the axles would keep rolling forward, or try to, then the front suspension would droop, even though the belly of the chassis might be dragging, correct? I guess I am looking at it from a worst case situation, where the truck normally would not have enough break over angle with the suspension in a natural, compressed state. Or, in other words, the Hustler droop suspension will increase the clearance, and allow the axles enough float so that the tires remain in contact to the ground, thus pulling the truck along, even if the chassis belly is dragging.

I am I right?

braceysdad · 07-13-2007, 11:15 AM

I only have one thing to say!

My nitro Revo crawler with Nylint electronics is better than both!

Rockpiledriver · 07-13-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Espeefan

Or, in other words, the Hustler droop suspension will increase the clearance, and allow the axles enough float so that the tires remain in contact to the ground, thus pulling the truck along, even if the chassis belly is dragging.

I am I right?

Yes, that is correct.

FrankyRizzo · 07-13-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by braceysdad

I only have one thing to say!

My nitro Revo crawler with Nylint electronics is better than both!

Wow that's worse than a triple dog dare!!!

G-crawler · 07-13-2007, 12:50 PM

my opinion on the hustler (ok i have not tryed a stick chassie but just my opinion) is that i like it alot, had a coilover shock based rig before the hustler and i can do everything i did with the past rig, and it does better on sidehills, climbing steep rocks and overall i love the hustler, only thing i have on this rig is that dont break over sharp V shaper rocks, but it may be my foult or my setup. As for limiting straps u dont need to use zip ties, i used cable shoes and thin plastic coverd wire attached to the upper shock mounts and to the under link shock mount, works sooo much better now! a must do on a hustler imo, but as everyone says u have to play with the setup to suit ur driving style! Thx for the Hustler RCP Guys...crawling just got soo much more fun!

bucwild · 01-16-2009, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Espeefan

I stand corrected. I've only 'read' about the Hustler's victories in a couple different places. No crawling comps for me to watch in person, around here. Nobody I know does any crawling. I guess 'many' wasn't the right word, but never the less it must be the regional wins I have read. One would think a stick chassis would be in the regionals as well, however.

RCP, quite a modest reply, seeings how you sell the Hustlers.

Honesty is a good thing. Thanks for the input. I would not be buying a Hustler to compete, but for my own enjoyment. I'm pretty much all alone here, in Wisconsin.

I'm here for you buddy

Espeefan · 01-17-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bucwild

I'm here for you buddy

Wow, a lot has changed since '06!

I'm surprised you even found this thread. Finally I do have a Hustler. Now we just need to get together in the spring and see what she's got.

rockbuggy · 01-17-2009, 01:16 AM

I compete with a Hustler against the sticks, torsions, you name it at our socal comps. I have a bunch of money invested into my Hustler crawler (total so fare $3000). Even thought it's one of the most expensive crawlers out there it sucked at the begining because it was totally set up wrong and couldn't even go where 2.2s could go. But after a year playing with it and getting the correct combination this rig will take on any stick or torsion and be very competitive.
The biggest difference I see in the hustler and the sticks is that it doesn't like to side hill very good and it has a little harder time going up steep walls compared to the sticks. But as fare as getting high centered it's not that big of a issue. You just need a little more speed to slid the belly over the rocks and let the tires pull it the rest of the way. But the BIGGEST differece is that the Hustler LOVES to crawl slowwww and will take on vertical drops and vertical walls with eas and being in controll the whole time.
I love how my Hustler turned out and the only way I might try another chassis is if the Hustler 2 came out.
Mine's the orange one

Espeefan · 01-17-2009, 01:57 PM

So what exactly is the hot set-up with these? The chassis itself is pretty simple. As for tuning, you really only have shock length, shock oil, and shock position to play with. The rest seems to mostly be weight balancing, motors, gearing, and battery packs - nothing any different then any other crawler. From a set-up standpoint, it doesn't seem to complicated.

clarkrw3 · 01-17-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Espeefan

So what exactly is the hot set-up with these? The chassis itself is pretty simple. As for tuning, you really only have shock length, shock oil, and shock position to play with. The rest seems to mostly be weight balancing, motors, gearing, and battery packs - nothing any different then any other crawler. From a set-up standpoint, it doesn't seem to complicated.

I was wondering the same thing....at this point my CFNN out performs my Hustler. I was actually thinking of putting a spring suspension on the rear of the hustler has anyone tried this??

rockbuggy · 01-17-2009, 02:13 PM

ohhhh nooo. there is ALOT more to play with than just elctronics. You really have to play with the 4link geometry and the length of the rig. Since the rigs are so long you have alot of axle steer and that's the biggest pain trying to figure how to get rid of axle steer.

I would say the hottest set up is a 6 channel radio with (this is a must) channel mixxing and dual ESCs.

666 · 01-17-2009, 02:20 PM

I have been thinking on trying my Hustler with Revo shocks, sprung.

PROTOTYPE · 01-17-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 666

I have been thinking on trying my Hustler with Revo shocks, sprung.

Did that and found that I cant get it to cycle fully without a sufficient amount of binding. :-(

07-12-2007, 11:51 PM	#43
Espeefan Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 570	Alright guys, thanks for the info. One more question, regarding these droop suspension crawlers. They run internal shock springs. Do the springs go on the piston end or the rod end of the shocks?

07-13-2007, 06:56 AM	#44
JasonInAugusta 06 Super National Champ Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Stark Industries Bar and Grill Posts: 11,361	Not all of them run internal springs. I have two here that don't use springs. Those that do run internal springs install them so that they cause the shock to retract...putting the spiring under the piston.

07-13-2007, 08:52 AM	#45
Espeefan Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 570	I see. So most times it's nothing more then the shear weight of the axles that cause the suspension to droop or articulate - like the rocks falling out from beneath them. There really isn't anything to force the axles down, unless the crawler has independent front/rear speed controllers and you throttle the rear motor to bunch up the slack in the suspension? The belly must drag a lot when the suspension droops.

07-13-2007, 11:15 AM	#49
braceysdad Adilynsdad too! Join Date: May 2004 Location: G ville Posts: 8,844	I only have one thing to say! My nitro Revo crawler with Nylint electronics is better than both!

07-13-2007, 12:50 PM	#52
G-crawler RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: sweden Posts: 1,007	my opinion on the hustler (ok i have not tryed a stick chassie but just my opinion) is that i like it alot, had a coilover shock based rig before the hustler and i can do everything i did with the past rig, and it does better on sidehills, climbing steep rocks and overall i love the hustler, only thing i have on this rig is that dont break over sharp V shaper rocks, but it may be my foult or my setup. As for limiting straps u dont need to use zip ties, i used cable shoes and thin plastic coverd wire attached to the upper shock mounts and to the under link shock mount, works sooo much better now! a must do on a hustler imo, but as everyone says u have to play with the setup to suit ur driving style! Thx for the Hustler RCP Guys...crawling just got soo much more fun!

01-17-2009, 01:16 AM	#55
rockbuggy Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: wildomar Posts: 60	I compete with a Hustler against the sticks, torsions, you name it at our socal comps. I have a bunch of money invested into my Hustler crawler (total so fare $3000). Even thought it's one of the most expensive crawlers out there it sucked at the begining because it was totally set up wrong and couldn't even go where 2.2s could go. But after a year playing with it and getting the correct combination this rig will take on any stick or torsion and be very competitive. The biggest difference I see in the hustler and the sticks is that it doesn't like to side hill very good and it has a little harder time going up steep walls compared to the sticks. But as fare as getting high centered it's not that big of a issue. You just need a little more speed to slid the belly over the rocks and let the tires pull it the rest of the way. But the BIGGEST differece is that the Hustler LOVES to crawl slowwww and will take on vertical drops and vertical walls with eas and being in controll the whole time. I love how my Hustler turned out and the only way I might try another chassis is if the Hustler 2 came out. Mine's the orange one

01-17-2009, 01:57 PM	#56
Espeefan Rock Crawler Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 570	So what exactly is the hot set-up with these? The chassis itself is pretty simple. As for tuning, you really only have shock length, shock oil, and shock position to play with. The rest seems to mostly be weight balancing, motors, gearing, and battery packs - nothing any different then any other crawler. From a set-up standpoint, it doesn't seem to complicated.

01-17-2009, 02:13 PM	#58
rockbuggy Rock Stacker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: wildomar Posts: 60	ohhhh nooo. there is ALOT more to play with than just elctronics. You really have to play with the 4link geometry and the length of the rig. Since the rigs are so long you have alot of axle steer and that's the biggest pain trying to figure how to get rid of axle steer. I would say the hottest set up is a 6 channel radio with (this is a must) channel mixxing and dual ESCs.

01-17-2009, 02:20 PM	#59
666 MODERHATER™ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 10,939	I have been thinking on trying my Hustler with Revo shocks, sprung.

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