2011 nationals Judges Its that time again. There is several changes in the judging format this year to try and keep the judges from getting torched by the Vegas heat. If you are interested in judging LCQ/1.9-Super/2.2 please read through the following and then pm me. This year we will be running a triple judge format. Each of 2 of the judges will judge a competitor, while the third judge will get to go and run there courses. As a judge you will be able to select one of your teamates/buddies to run with you. They will be allowed to jump line and run with you. Thus allowing judges to experience Nats. somewhat like the rest of the group. For those of you that havent experienced this, the judges will start one competitor, at approx. the 6th progress gate the second judge will start the next competitor. This will reduce the time each judge will have to spend judging. With the use of rotating in the third judge no one judge should have to spend more then 4-5 hours judging(in a worst case situation). I will be looking for 15 judges for each day of competition. If I dont know or comp with you on a regular basis then you will need to provide refrances for me. Im looking for the strongest field of judges we have had yet. Be aware that it will be MANDATORY for you to attend a judges meeting and take/re-take the judges test(primarily for discussion purposes). Details to follow on when those will be. Judges will recieve a free entry for there qualified classes. (One entry per day of judging) If you are judging you will be gauranteed a spot in the LCQ. You will also recieve refreshments/lunch each day that you are judging. Pm me if you are interested"thumbsup" For those that are going to be Judging/ thinking about judging LCQ the mandatory meeting will be Wed. evening. It must be attended!!!!. For 1.9/Super, 2.2 we will have a second meeting on thursday evening. If you are judging in multiple classes chances are you will learn something at both judges meetings. Yes you read it right if you are judging multiple days you will get the benefits of higher education"thumbsup" If we cant get enough judges set up prior to the event then we will simply have to shorten the number of courses that we intend on running, keep the judges coming guys.. Here is what we have thus far: LCQ: 1-Krawlfreak- Jeremy Toney 2-XRRA TJ- Josh 3-CRSMcgyver- Andy Zuber 4-Mr. Glassman- Mica 5-Grover- Chad Hargrove 6-winkscrawler- Ryan 7-Toyotaboy- Jason Veil 8-RBGerrish- Ryan Gerrish 9- Mark Reel 10-SoCoCrawler- Randy Howe 11- Hoppa- Josh Hicks 12- Fishmax- John Messa 13- The Violator- Ted 14- Diamond D- Dave Cape 15- Baddman- Jim Bise Alt. 1-SOCO Crawlgirl- Mindy Howe Alt. 2- Waiting Dragon 1.9/Super 1-CRSMcgyver- Andy Zuber 2-Waiting Dragon 3-XRRA TJ- Josh 4-Krawlfreak- Jeremy Toney 5-Delmontess- Jess downing 6-Delmonte- Jake wright 7-winkscrawler- Ryan 8-Grimreeper 9-Toyotaboy- Jason Veil 10-RBGerrish- Ryan Gerrish 11-Mark Reel 12-The Violator- Ted 13-Diamond D- Dave Cape 14-Baddman- Jim Bise 15-SOCO Crawlgirl- Mindy Howe Alt. 1- Hoppa- Josh Hicks Alt. 2-SoCoCrawler-Randy Howe 2.2: 1-Krawlfreak- Jeremy Toney 2-Grover- Chad Hargrove 3-Hoppa- Josh Hicks 4-PaloAltok5- Art B 5-Delmonte- Jake wright 6-Delmontess- Jess Downing 7-winkscrawler- Ryan 8-Toyotaboy- Jason Veil 9-RBGerrish- Ryan Gerrish 10-SoCoCrawler- Randy Howe 11-Mark Reel 12-Shoei1 13-Diamond D- Dave Cape 14-Baddman- Jim Bise 15-Waiting Dragon Alt. 1-The Violator- Ted Alt. 2-SOCO Crawlgirl- Mindy Howe |
At TCS Crawlers East Coast Championship we ran the 3 judge team working in pairs, and the judges seemed to enjoy it a lot more the "NORMAL" way. At Vanquish Products La Guerra en Rocas Rojos they ran the staggered start, and we were FINISHED running the regular field very fast with alot less strain on the judges. IMO this the judging system of the future. |
this is by far the best way to get the masses through the courses indeed. two national level events now using the staggard start and both going off without a hitch! the relief to the judges is evident but the fact the drivers don't stand in line for hours on end is significant too. oh...you have a p.m.! |
For sure this platform works"thumbsup" It took us longer to run judges at Roca Rojas than all the competitors:shock: So letting judges get out and run would be a good thing.(especialy in the vegas heat) PM sent |
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I'm very familiar with this format since Parker has been running it for a year now! At AWCC we had 67 drivers finish 7 courses in 3 hours!!! This format is phenomenal. I will pm you later John. "thumbsup" |
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Everyone please read If we cant get enough judges set up prior to the event then we will simply have to shorten the number of courses that we intend on running, keep the judges coming guys.. I added this to the original post in the thread as well |
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I haven't experienced this Judging or Running format so please bear with my ignorance. Is there a chance that Driver #2 will catch up to Driver #1 and affect both drivers running the same course? How many Judges are actually on a course at any given time? 2 per Driver?? Thank You for you time |
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If driver 2 catches 1 - time is stopped for driver 2 until driver 1 is out of the way. 2 judges on course, 1 for each driver. |
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We still need more judges guys! The other option is for us to run less courses which we really don't want to have to do. |
I will throw my name in the ring. I should be in Wed afternoon/night and am not running any classes, but will still help out. http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...ertificate.png |
C'Mon People 2 1/2 weeks left and no one is stepping up to judge C"MON People we dont want to only run 3 courses do we ? |
pm sent awhile back but no reply:cry:. |
Not sure what happened on that one!! Back at ya |
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East Coast Judges? Just dont want anyone complaining about an abundance of WEST COAST judges, I honestly havent had but only a few East Coasters offering to judge. If anyone is still interested in judging, I need to know by Thursday Evening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
5.3 - Judging should be done by at least 2 people per driver. One Judge to call out penalties and one Judge/Scorekeeper, to record penalties, tally maximum penalties, keep time (if applicable), etc. what happened to this rule........... |
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You can try to help out by volunteering."thumbsup" |
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Nothing has happened to this rule. As with any rules or laws there is one key word being "should". Should is a strongly suggestive word not a mandatory word such as "shall" or "must". Though im sure in the next rules revision that the wording of this guideline will be edited. As over the past year + there has been a substantial effort put forth (by many) to educate our judges to a higher level. This is being accomplished at every comp, gathering ect. Via the judges test/demonstrations ect. This new format has been tested at several comps already this year with very positive results. With the heat and amount of competitors at Nationals this year, we are going to use this format to help reduce judge fatigue due to the high temps. in Vegas. Reducing judge fatigue will help toi deliver a much more consistent judging platform. It will also increase the enjoyment of the competitors as the lines move a much accelerated pace, drastically reducing the weight times to run courses."thumbsup" |
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If you really want to be a judge and want to learn follow a judge at a event. You will learn a lot and most will teach along the way. |
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Thanks guys, but that wasn't the objective. I've started "beginning judging" at the SoCal events. Just not near enough to be a national judge. I was just trying to help out if they're undermanned. I was kinda picking up on you'd like to have two judges but only have manpower for one. |
O ok, no watching then. If I catch you watching.... you better watch out... ...wait... what? Honestly, i'll probably be so damn hungover/still wasted that i'll need help judging... Just kidding john! Don't judge dis-bar me! |
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Honestly, i'll probably be so damn hungover/still wasted that i'll need help judging... Just kidding john! Don't judge dis-bar me![/QUOTE] Youre getting close! Better watch it:mrgreen: |
Super Dave, don't forget I'll be all over the courses as well. I'll be "observing" through a lens. |
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I will be shooting for the judges meeting we'd and thurs for 8 pm. All should hopefully be able to make it by then. Location will be at the event hotel, with exact meeting location TBD. As soon as we nail it down I will post it here |
We have made it and the Wednesday night judges meeting will be held in one of our rooms at the hotel. Let's meet in the hotel registration lobby, from there we will move to a room. For Thursdays meeting we will most likely be meeting at the bowling alley that they are having the nationals bowling tournament at. That judges meeting will be tenatively at 8 pm depending on the comp finish |
We have made it and the Wednesday night judges meeting will be held in one of our rooms at the hotel. Let's meet in the hotel registration lobby, from there we will move to a room. For Thursdays meeting we will most likely be meeting at the bowling alley that they are having the nationals bowling tournament at. That judges meeting will be tenatively at 8 pm depending on the comp finish |
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