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01-18-2015, 05:20 PM | #1 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Setting up the leaf spring suspension
This is a bit long, so forgive me in advance...... My TF2 is very much a work in progress. However, I just about have the suspension where I want it, and I'm quite happy with it. In setting it up, I wanted:
Anyway, some pix accompanied with even more words. I am very open to suggestions and other ideas. This shows the basic spring configuration: Front driver's side. I'm still getting sme lift steer when turning right, so I suspect a taller spacer/longer bolt will help: Rear springs, need to flip the nuts/bolts back as specified in the maunaul (the kit shocks hit the nuts when I was testing). Front works ok, I'll modify the Punisher shaft to get more: Rear suspension works well. I am very happy how the compressed spring flattens out, shackle is almost horizontal, and how the other side extends and springs "fan" out. Spring flattens without inverting (optical illusion that it appears to be pretzeling). Perfect. Again, front limited due to no compression of Punisher shaft. This is a +4" step, still not terrible. |
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01-18-2015, 06:28 PM | #2 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
I cut off 1cm from the female end of the front steel Punisher shaft (to match the length of the kit nylon shafts). This netted a nice increase in front suspension travel, and I suspect another 5mm will be about perfect. Making that cut was hard: Front suspension mostly compressed, still have a little slip yoke travel left: Exactly what I wanted: extended side fanning out, compressed side nearly flat: |
01-19-2015, 04:49 AM | #3 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: North Carolina
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
Looking good so far. Glad to see my old reds being put to good use. Now it needs to come out to play! |
01-19-2015, 05:33 AM | #4 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
Thanks man, but your old red leaves are sitting on the bench! I may yet end up using them............ |
01-25-2015, 08:38 AM | #5 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Charlotte
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
Wow GREAT info so far. Thanks a ton bud. I'm about to tear my TF2 down to get the suspension working correctly, it just binds, pretzels and sucks over all. Lol.
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01-25-2015, 03:52 PM | #6 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
I need to update - the overload nylon leaf setup didn't work out so great after a little run time + putting the body on the rig. Where I'm at now is: Red (topmost), nylon impregnated w/ oil; black long leaf with eyes cut off; impregnated nylon; then the lowest leaf is the middle-length black leaf from the stock pack. With the shims I made, I have the ride height I want and packs that work great.
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01-25-2015, 04:19 PM | #7 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Brighton UK
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
Seriously I would simply pop the stock black ones back on. The rear with no helper, the front with just the large helper underneath. The stock leafs bed in after just a few hours trail time to handle just as good as the reds but without the bending of the reds. |
01-28-2015, 12:53 AM | #8 | |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rio Brisbanero Australia
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension Quote:
I,ve found this a real good set up , i did add some anti wrap bars to the rear to save the leafs and i run Axial shock hoops and SCX10 shocks up front | |
01-28-2015, 06:54 AM | #9 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
The black w/ no "helper" results in too much pinion tipping and potential for over-compression (or, inversion), which will ultimately lead to bending the main black leaf unless you run an anti-wrap bar. I don't want to run an anti-wrap bar, those are for Chevy's with high HP, lots of chrome, that only stay on pavement. ;) The long black leaf with the eyes cut off will not bend the red leaf. When the pack compresses, the pressure of the black leaf is at 2 points: where the screws pass through the leaves into the axle housing, and right on the point where the spring shackle pins pass through the red leaves. In my original post, I listed some goals, #1 is to have a spring pack that is "scale" and emulates the 1:1. I don't find a single leaf, anti-wrap bars, or coils particularly scale. |
01-28-2015, 12:48 PM | #10 |
RCC Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Brighton UK
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
I've run reds in every combo and they always bend in the end.......always. For very light trail runs though am sure they don't need tweaking back too often. Whatever the helper size was influenced where they bend. I've never fitted an anti wrap bar, and don't really suffer with it either. I run the single black leaf on the rear with no helper as there's very little weight and it performs great. The front I again use the black and the longer helper underneath to help due to the extra weight the front carries. |
01-29-2015, 12:02 AM | #11 | |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Rio Brisbanero Australia
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension Quote:
Like has been said the stock black leafs are firm at first but then soften up nicely with a little use , were as the reds are fine at first but then become too soft after a little use. As for coil overs in the front its not needed just run a bigger shock (I run SCX10 ) but ditch the springs, you just can,t get enuff down travel with the standard length shocks IMO These are my anti wrap bars in there initial prototype and testing stage i,ve since trimmed of all the fat and painted em black , and you really can,t see em unless your really looking for them | |
01-29-2015, 12:09 AM | #12 | |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Anchorage
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension Quote:
I'm even using the longer helper on the rear now because mine has softened quite a bit. | |
01-29-2015, 04:46 AM | #13 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
I very much appreciate the input and experiences you guys have shared! In the end I suspect some/a lot of your advice will end up on my TF2, especially once some of my theories show themselves to be bunk (but I need to go through this and experience it for myself). BTW I'll be running a topper/campershell on the main body, along with some stuff in the bed. This will impact the weight and distribution, but how and how much is a mystery to me now as I've not got the main body finished. |
01-29-2015, 05:29 PM | #14 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: North Carolina
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
We understand, Cr00zah. You were just trying to see how many times you could use "oil-impregnated nylon" in one thread. We're impressed. The true test will come in a couple of weeks when we can compare yours and mine out on the trails and rocks. As for your distaste of Chevy's, I'm still hurt that you scoffed at the electric red and white temporary K-5 body on my lovely new 1/5th scale Ascender (or at least it looks 1/5 th scale next to a TF2). No worries, though. I'll get over it. I think. |
01-30-2015, 07:34 PM | #15 | |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension Quote:
Coupla stickers and that K5 body can be the designated Whaaaambulance. For humans, it's so large. | |
02-09-2015, 05:14 AM | #16 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Raleigh, NC
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
It turns out the red main leaf -> long black leaf with eyes cut off -> medium-length helper on front and nylon overload on rear is a great combo. No pictures, but I was very very happy with how the suspension worked on a ride yesterday. And I truly am a dork - I should not have cut the front Punisher, when the front completely unloads the shaft can separate. Ah well, live and learn............ |
02-09-2015, 01:46 PM | #17 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Oshawa
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
I like what u have done so far Cr00zah. I'm building my TF2 with bit more flex then what u want but trying to keep scale movement. I will be doing alot of trail and rock crawling so need some flex. I have reds all around and large black leafs out back as helper. Odds are i will go back to all blacks when i have the truck finished and at full weight. |
02-13-2015, 03:31 PM | #18 |
Newbie Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: kent
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| Re: Setting up the leaf spring suspension
Hello Cr00zah have you tried or heard of the Chino mod where you taper the ends of the springs to make them narrow at the top of the eye.This made the most difference on my stompers suspension,it allows the leaves to twist with the axle more freely. |
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