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new2rocks 07-14-2018 09:21 PM

Scrunch and Dad (re-)build a TF2
 
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A couple of years ago, during one of my periodic visits to RC-Recycler, I spotted a TF2 truggy project sitting in a box that caught my fancy. I didn't pull the trigger at the time, but I told Rob he wasn't allowed to sell it without talking to me first. A year or so later, I pulled the trigger and brought the box home, and there it sat, until...

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It was only a matter of time before Scrunch expressed an interest in trying her hand at a build after watching her brother build a few (okay...maybe a little more than a few) trucks. Knowing that she wasn't likely to have Roo's level of patience, I figured this one would be a good first build. Parts of it (esp. the chassis) were already assembled, but lots of parts would get swapped out along the way, including shocks, axles, and tranny, among other things). Other parts, like the cage and cab, would serve as excellent starting points.

So off she went with plenty of guidance and encouragement from Dad:

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You may have noticed some colorful parts in that picture. Ever the artistic one, Scrunch decided on purple BowHouse RC NCYotas (the only ones in existence as best we know), and she was quite pleased with them:

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The original builder had already done the work of cutting open the hood, so we naturally wanted a scale driveline to allow for a proper engine bay. Fortunately, between the time I originally brought this project home and when we finally got to serious work on it, our good friends at GCM released their TF2 Scale Trans Conversion Kit utilizing GCM's familiar LRT2 transmission and transfer case combo along with TF2-specific mounts. My persistent please north of the border apparently paid off.

If you already have an LRT2 lying around (as I did), you can buy just the mounts:

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Included are a pair of motor plate mounts, a cross-member to mount the t-case, and a new servo mount.

Scrunch got to work on the tranny:

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And then the servo mount:

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Here's a before and after showing the stock servo mount vs. GCM mount:

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In case you were wondering, that is a Holmes Hobbies Puller Pro Stubby 2200 kv that we'll run on 3S. It's one of my all-time favorite motors. For steering duties, I decided to try something new:

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After the tranny and t-case were in, it was time for some suspension work. RC4WD 90mm Old Man Emus with springs removed and 3k diff fluid makes for one of my favorite leaf-sprung setups, so we went with it:

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Things were starting to look pretty good...

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Shinchu 07-14-2018 11:13 PM

Re: Scrunch and Dad (re-)build a TF2
 
Love this!!!
Is it just me or is tf2 hitting a sort of popularity spike? Maybe its just because I have been more interested lately.

That gcm trans kit is fantastic! I didnt know about that since I figured cmax was cmax and tf2 was tf2. Never thought gcm would be so genirus lol see what I did there...

Those axles are so COOL!!! Another reason 3d printing is such a huge part of this hobby.
Scrunch looks like she is having fun and getting a super nice rig in the process!

Great thread!

OSRC 07-15-2018 05:25 AM

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Always great getting the kids involved!

I kinda like the purple axles - definitely something different. My 6 year old - who is sitting here next to me destroying a pop tart - has just opined that they would have "looked better with rainbow colors" :)

new2rocks 07-15-2018 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Shinchu (Post 5851324)
Love this!!!
Is it just me or is tf2 hitting a sort of popularity spike? Maybe its just because I have been more interested lately.

That gcm trans kit is fantastic! I didnt know about that since I figured cmax was cmax and tf2 was tf2. Never thought gcm would be so genirus lol see what I did there...

Those axles are so COOL!!! Another reason 3d printing is such a huge part of this hobby. Scrunch looks like she is having fun and getting a super nice rig in the process!

Great thread!

Thanks! Yes...the GCM trans kit is fantastic. I have lots of experience with it in my various CMAXs, so it's great to have a bolt-on option for the TF2. I'll be doing more updates on that once we get it out for some testing.

Re the TF2, I don't have numbers to back it up, but certainly the subjective impression is that they've grown in popularity over the past 3-4 years. The introduction of the LWB, LC70 and Marlin versions has definitely helped keep things fresh. It's such a great platform with so much flexibility.

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Originally Posted by OSRC (Post 5851346)
Always great getting the kids involved!

I kinda like the purple axles - definitely something different. My 6 year old - who is sitting here next to me destroying a pop tart - has just opined that they would have "looked better with rainbow colors" :)

Amen to getting the kiddos involved. And lol re the colors...I'm quite sure Scrunch would have chosen the rainbow option if Shapeways offered it. Wait until you see her idea for the body (if we can pull it off...). ;-)

svt923 07-16-2018 08:31 AM

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Your brazen and boundless use of child labor for personal gain is admirable. I have much to learn to get such productivity out of my workforce. :mrgreen:

There has got to be some purple knuckles to go with the purple axles, right? You must know a guy that can make that happen.

Levi 07-16-2018 09:30 AM

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Looks like a great project. Kids helping out and showing interest is always great, so thumbs up there. That's great gcm has a mounting kit out now.

What transmission are you using from gcm new2rocks? Always heard great things about gcm.

new2rocks 07-16-2018 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by svt923 (Post 5851591)
Your brazen and boundless use of child labor for personal gain is admirable. I have much to learn to get such productivity out of my workforce. :mrgreen:

It's either that or they don't eat. They choose to help. Smart kids. :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by svt923 (Post 5851591)
There has got to be some purple knuckles to go with the purple axles, right? You must know a guy that can make that happen.

The thought has crossed my mind... :idea:

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 5851611)
Looks like a great project. Kids helping out and showing interest is always great, so thumbs up there. That's great gcm has a mounting kit out now.

What transmission are you using from gcm new2rocks? Always heard great things about gcm.

Thanks! The GCM kit for the TF2 comes with the LRT2 transmission and transfer case, which is the same tranny/t-case combo on the CMAX. It's a great (great) setup. "thumbsup"

Natedog 07-30-2018 10:07 PM

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Great keeping Scrunch and Roo involved building and driving RCs! What’s next and where the purple knuckles? The ProModeler servo looks very enticing! :)

new2rocks 07-30-2018 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Natedog (Post 5856064)
Great keeping Scrunch and Roo involved building and driving RCs! What’s next and where the purple knuckles? The ProModeler servo looks very enticing! :)

Thanks! They definitely help keep things interesting. I'll give some updates on the servo once we get this running. As for purple knuckles... :idea:

But there are other updates in the meantime. In the interest of creating dramatic tension, I'll save the best for last.

First up was fixing this common problem:
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With a pair of these guys:
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Installed:
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Much better! How about some sliders for sliding?
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Those of you who were at ECSC 2015 might have remembered seeing my green TF2 tumble 30 or so feet off a cliff on course 1, only to be rescued by Metal Masher (who is suspiciously fleet of foot). Well...these are the now repaired sliders that cracked upon impact with the tree at the base of the cliff that fateful morning. I still owe you, Blake!

Now for the fun stuff. The prior builder that abandoned this project fabbed up some hood hinges:
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Not a bad effort, but there's one issue with trying to use this style of hinge on this body:
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Hmm... :idea:
You might have seen that we just released a limited production run of our BowHouse RC Hood Hinge Mount Set for Mojave / Hilux bodies...perfect timing! Here's what the set looks like before installation:
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These are printed in ABS to make them strong, flexible, and easy to glue to the body. They use the RC4WD Blazer hood hinges so that everything clears nicely when you open the hood. Time to put Scrunch back to work:
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Installation is pretty simple. It's best to start with the cowl piece:
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Remember the outer windshield/dash mounting posts that are sacrificed when removing the hood? We don't like sacrifices, so our cowl pieces includes new posts to replace the lost ones.


After installing the cowl, next up are the inner fender brackets:
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And then my favorite part...the structural rad support. Nick designed these clever nooks in the inner fender brackets with matching notches on the rad support to help line everything up without guess work and create a very strong mount:
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Wondering about that little hole on the lower outside corner of the light bucket opening? That happens to line up with an unused hole in the back of the Mojave grill...perfect for using a hidden screw to secure the grill to the rad support. More on that later.

Here is how the rad support looks from the front after installation:
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Now we're starting to get somewhere!

svt923 07-31-2018 08:29 AM

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If this Nick guy keeps up the good work, maybe one day he will make partner.

Bananaclip 08-01-2018 09:36 AM

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Watch out Roooo..... Little Sis has came to town! I love getting the kids involved...."thumbsup" I also am digging the purple housings and will be ordering a few of the BH hood/ reinforcement/ hinge/ thingy..... Thanks Scrunch for all of your hard/fun work thus far"thumbsup"

AnimalHippie 08-01-2018 02:35 PM

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This is a great build! Love that your daughter is in the garage with you! Can't wait till mine gets a little older. She doesn't have the patience for spending hours on one thing yet. Soon tho! She does love helping me tinker with my truck. Keep up the great work Scrunch! Totally digging it!

new2rocks 08-11-2018 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by svt923 (Post 5856157)
If this Nick guy keeps up the good work, maybe one day he will make partner.

Quiet, you! Don't give him any ideas...he's already overpaid as it is. :mrgreen:

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Originally Posted by Bananaclip (Post 5856511)
Watch out Roooo..... Little Sis has came to town! I love getting the kids involved...."thumbsup" I also am digging the purple housings and will be ordering a few of the BH hood/ reinforcement/ hinge/ thingy..... Thanks Scrunch for all of your hard/fun work thus far"thumbsup"

Scrunch says thanks (even though she is most definitely not his LITTLE sister or even little, for that matter). You'll be hearing more from her soon enough. ;-)

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Originally Posted by AnimalHippie (Post 5856653)
This is a great build! Love that your daughter is in the garage with you! Can't wait till mine gets a little older. She doesn't have the patience for spending hours on one thing yet. Soon tho! She does love helping me tinker with my truck. Keep up the great work Scrunch! Totally digging it!

Thanks! This is the most interest she's shown in a truck, and it's been fun getting her involved. The hardest part is keeping Roo's little hands off it, lol.

Let's get back to the build. With the rad support in, the next step was getting the hood brace installed. The easiest way to do this is to install the hinges on the cab and hood brace, then mask the hood and brace in place to get the alignment of the brace to the hood. Like this:

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Make sure everything lines up:

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Then glue it all into place:
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Another fit test:
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That works. A little prep work:
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Scrunch loves to sand:
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Next up were some accessories to help keep everything in place out on the trails. I decided on 3mm x 1mm neo magnets for the back corners of the hood (2 deep on the cab side and 1 deep in the hood):
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At the front corners, 1/4" (approx. 6mm) neo magnets in the rad support:
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Under the front corners of the hood, I chose to use M3 nuts (not the nylock variety) for reasons you'll see in a bit:
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Added a bracket for the hood prop:
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One last 3mm x 1mm magnet to keep the prop in place:
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That completes the installation of the hood hinge kit. From here on out, it will be pretty much all painting and detailing. And I'll need my helper for that...

Bananaclip 08-15-2018 08:55 AM

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Aces! we need more Scrunch!:mrgreen:

Natedog 08-15-2018 11:32 AM

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My kitties help, but they don’t do sanding. What adhesive did you glue the hood to the under hood bracing with? Prop rod is great detail! :)

new2rocks 08-27-2018 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Natedog (Post 5861037)
My kitties help, but they don’t do sanding. What adhesive did you glue the hood to the under hood bracing with? Prop rod is great detail! :)

Don't feel bad...our Berner isn't much help, either. For glue, I used Sci Grip 4, which works great on ABS and styrene.

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Originally Posted by Bananaclip (Post 5860957)
Aces! we need more Scrunch!:mrgreen

Ask and ye shall receive...

Let's get back to the build. I tried a little experiment with this one, laying a couple of metallic coats:
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Followed by a faded orange:
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And then the finish coat:
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Scrunch likes wet sanding, and she's quite good at it:
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The results started to look pretty interesting:
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So she continued to scratch and sand away:
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Next up was the grille. I took care of removing the fake mesh:
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And we tag-teamed the chrome highlights:
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Which got us to here:
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Open wide:
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Looks like it's time to fill that engine bay... :mrgreen:

DukeMinnix 08-28-2018 01:52 PM

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love this!!!! Just recently got my daughters involved. They're not big on crawlers and like to rip and tear, so we build an e maxx together. I love the nicknames, mine also have them, mine go by Goose and Bug. We are a tattoo family and my oldest who is 12 has informed me that "Goose" will be her first tattoo because its what dad calls her

Levi 08-28-2018 04:54 PM

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The truck is looking good. A bit jeolous, lol. Makes me think different when i paint my next hard body.

new2rocks 09-12-2018 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DukeMinnix (Post 5864564)
love this!!!! Just recently got my daughters involved. They're not big on crawlers and like to rip and tear, so we build an e maxx together. I love the nicknames, mine also have them, mine go by Goose and Bug. We are a tattoo family and my oldest who is 12 has informed me that "Goose" will be her first tattoo because its what dad calls her

That's awesome...I love seeing parents who share this with their kids. I wouldn't do it if I couldn't get them involved.

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Originally Posted by Levi (Post 5864612)
The truck is looking good. A bit jeolous, lol. Makes me think different when i paint my next hard body.

Lol...it's all about experimenting and going one step further each time. "thumbsup"

Let's get back to that engine bay. Our good friends at GCM sent over one of their 22R motor kits. It came in a bag with very GCM'y compartments:
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To get parts out of the compartments, you need to get rid of the comments (compartments - comments = parts):
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I mock parts:
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I paint parts:
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Scrunch cuts parts:
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More mockery:
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Apparently, some Canadians don't approve of brushless motors. But we like wheelies down here in the South, so I had to do my own mini episode of Chop, Cut, Rebuild:
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Much more betterer. And more Scrunch coming soon... :-)

Natedog 09-13-2018 04:15 PM

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Nice deep sump with windage tray setup! 22R looks good, but needs oil filter on left side of block and PS pump up by distributor. :mrgreen:"thumbsup":)


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