Super mini class

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by EverettY

People wonder why alot of times ideas don't get moved forward... it's cause people start talking about random stuff and everyone forgets what the whole thread is really about and nothing gets done...

Exactly! Who is....

Ooo....look! Something shiny!!

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

Comp crawling is not for everyone. Never has been. Never will be. Nothing is. It is for those that are for it. The field of play is level. Game up. Game on.

Sorry, not allowed in today's "participation trophy" world.

[winnerone23]

One of the ferret's just attackers my phone!

[MRCrackhead]

Back on topic.

I think the gates should stay at 12".

That's what the mini class has now, and that's what will define it as a mini.

No other rules needed, the gates will determine what works and what doesn't.

Why limit tire size? Super class has no limit, keep it that way.

Couple ideas I've been kicking around.

LCC axles with a pinion to pinion motor drive.



XR conversion.

As pictured it would be about a 9" wheel base.



Or maybe this.

MT case with some tube shortening.

Looks like 9.25" wheel base could be achieved.

Will any of it work? I don't know, yet.

Only one way to find out, start cutting up some parts.



Just thinking out loud....

[winnerone23]

Giving away your secrets so soon!?

Looks good Kevin! Keep at it, we will be comp'n these in Pa in no time!

[MRCrackhead]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

Giving away your secrets so soon!?

Looks good Kevin! Keep at it, we will be comp'n these in Pa in no time!

Pictures inspire builds more than chit chat.... just trying to light some fires.

Fun to build, also fun to watch others build.

Plus, maybe somebody else will help solve the huge list of issues we're facing attempting it.... haha.

[winnerone23]

While I agree on gate width being 12".. I'm still with a tire height requirement..
It's what separates All classes..

If we don't have a tire height requirement, then it's going to be a wheel size retirement..
If not, who's to stop me from pulling the 2.2 do-overs off my sporty and running them..

I would much rather see some cool 2.2 wheels wrapped in some 4.25" tires.. That would make it look super!

[MRCrackhead]

I think the narrow gates will limit the tires naturally.

Would be hard to fit 6" tires on a 9" wheel base, and still turn.

Supers aren't running 14" tires, even though they can legally.

Run your sporty tires, cheaper to get started....

Ultimately, we both know you'll end up with a tire built specifically for this rig.

That's the reason this build excites me. No class, no rules, yet.

Super just isn't super to me, with a 4.25" tire limit.

My opinion only....

[winnerone23]

I can see how turning radius, track width, and wheel base could limit the tire size..
Good point..

Nah.. No need for sporty tires to be used..
I have 4.25" rover's and a few other sets of cut-n-shut tires and narrowed BC's (which makes them shorter).. Lol..

Like I said.. We will be comp'n then in PA!

[Erik D_lux]

Originally Posted by MRCrackhead

I think the narrow gates will limit the tires naturally.

I couldnt agree more!

Run a 5.5 or 6" tall tire if you want. I dont think it would be any advantage.

I am guessing a lot of people look at the differences from the start as being frustrating. I see it the opposite way. I would love to show up with a 12" wheelbase and have a car that has 20" wheelbase come whoop up on me and then the very next comp, have a 8" wheelbase do the same!

Another thing that being narrow could limit is the MOA axles. If you have to fit a motor and servo on that axle, it could make you too wide? I would still try it but it would be cool if it did make it harder and there were some advantages to a shaft driven rig.

Crazy how into this idea some have become. Too bad its so easily discouraged by some "Debbie Downers" who dont want others to have fun with it.

[EverettY]

I personally think that the truck would need to be a little bit bigger then the current 1.9 Rigs... If it's going to be it's going to be hard to fit a servo motor and battery all on an axle the size that they are right now... I think if they were just slightly wider and longer it would be perfect.... I would say if it's mini it should be limited to 1.9 wheels still but tire height can be any size... You can only go so big before you're going to be rolling over on the slightest hills... Although then you could just drive upside down LOL

[filotr14lsdude]

This could be an option for front and rear dig in a small chassis.

I'm sure some nice small 380 cans could help with keeping it compact.
Keep a short wheelbase with digs and 4ws.

Just something to look at
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[Solitaire]

Well, since this is would be a class that isn't a class yet, why not make it anything goes. No restrictions on wheel/tire size, no restrictions on motor positioning, no restrictions on dig/4WS, no restrictions on body/bodiless.

As long as it can get through a 12" gate...it's legal.

[winnerone23]

I'm thinking LCC axles with XR steering, eritex moa adapter's, HH 400 puller's or Revolver S stubby's, dual tekin RS, 2x bec's, a couple HH servo's, 7950's or 7980's, 2.2's and whatever the max tire size that gives me the best result's..

If a 12" gate is the only rule.. I'm still in!

[MRCrackhead]

While I love the "no rules" idea 99.9%......

I wonder about body/chassis specs.

Every class has some rule in that regard.

No specs would make this class very unique, I suppose.

[Solitaire]

Originally Posted by MRCrackhead

While I love the "no rules" idea 99.9%......

I wonder about body/chassis specs.

Every class has some rule in that regard.

No specs would make this class very unique, I suppose.

Very unique, indeed. Might be something that sparks a little fire under some of the fence-sitters. It certainly would be a true builders class.

Why each class has body dimensions as one of the rules is beyond me (other than scale). With today's 2.2Pro trucks looking more like skeletons that anything else, why do we even have body rules? Performance is the focus in competitive crawling, not attempting to make it look like a 1:1.

This could be a great breakthrough class with no end to innovation.

[67mustang]

How bout an fpv class. Don't regulate the vehicle much. Regulate the camera, lens ,transmitter, receiver, mount style, and batteries instead. strict rollover rules/points. Maybe use a flatscreen or fatshark..fpv only. Maybe add a spotter. Your camera mount/placement point would be more iimportant than your wheelbase or tire size. Wouldn't even have to build a whole new rig. You could slap the camera on anything.

Silly maybe but fpv is really fun on a crawler.

[CrawlinMike]

Need a rtr only class. No performance mods allowed kind of deal. I remember when slashes first came out it was all the rage. Box stock only. That'd shut up a lot of people. There were still people who argued! The fpv things pretty cool too.

[chino63]

RTR and spec classes never last... unless the vehicles are supplied for you.

[JohnRobHolmes]

The same could be said for just about any class though, there is always a rise and fall. Holds true for racing classes, mountain bike fads, kids tv/toy series', blah blah blah.


A spec class is easy enough when its based on an already popular vehicle . I think the RCCA Stock Trail vehicle definitions are really close to an RTR class without making it just one model, but if there are three or more people with the same model at an event it is possible to mark them into a subclass.

What really limits many of these ideas is the depth of detail during registration and event hosting. It's not enough to just buy a ticket and describe what you are using, it needs to be a process where you register for the event using a saved "vehicle". This way the event classes can be created during registration, and not because somebody slaved over a spreadsheet for hours after the scores were in.

In a few weeks we will have an improvement for RC ORVA that will give a control panel to users and make communication between event hosts and drivers easier. We are also working on the "garage" feature so that rigs can be described and used during registration. As simple as being "class X legal" is enough, but more detail of some sizes or brands used will organically create a slew of classes at the hosts discretion.


Maybe as easy at that? As a driver does it sound attractive to be able to register for an event using a saved rig?















Now back to super minis. Unlimited Vehicle with 12" gates, 4.25" tires, done!