03-07-2014, 06:33 PM | #681 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Great Outdoors
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At your suggestion, I just slid my car sideways thru a 16.5" gate without touching a marker. But the markers were the Axial "walnut shells". A tennis ball would require a little more width. Point is, part of the tire passed above the marker without the tire leaving the ground. Clearly not a float by definition (it was on the ground, not floating). So our interpretation is similar. We only worry about the part of the tire (call it the tire patch) that normally contacts the ground. I make no claim this is the "correct" interpretation. I don't think there is one. But this is what we do. Actually, I hate float calls. It's way too much opinion and guess-work. Some judges are lax, some are hard-asses. Causes a lot of bad vibes. Not why we came to spend the day. |
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03-10-2014, 02:24 PM | #682 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Houston, TX
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| Re: 2013 Rules Granted, I haven't read all of what you guys are talking about, but I thought I'd point out that the distance measurement should be made from the inside of each marker......so the size of the marker wont make a difference.
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03-11-2014, 02:25 PM | #683 |
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| Re: 2013 Rules While true, that's not really relevant to the discussion. The discussion has more to do with whether a float has taken place if only the leading edge of a tire passes over the edge of a marker. This with a car moving sideways through the gate. Or as my example, a car being rolled thru a gate during a legal rollover recovery. So it's really about what makes a float?
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03-11-2014, 02:53 PM | #684 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: EvilCrawlerDesigns@comcast.net
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03-11-2014, 08:17 PM | #685 |
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| Re: 2013 Rules And anything past that is a gate, float or not.
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03-11-2014, 10:27 PM | #686 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock
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It boils down sometimes judges have to judge, and when driver put judges in position to make a call they have to live with the call made by the judge. Keep the truck in control through the gate and the right call will probably be made. Go through the gate in an uncontrolled manner and you have to accept the judges call. | |
03-12-2014, 10:24 AM | #687 |
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In a perfect world, all situations would be covered by the rules. In our world, the judge must cover the deficiencies. Which would be fine if every driver were judged the same. Locally we run round-robin judging so every driver gets a different judge. Not the best, but full time judges are hard to come by out here, so it is what it is. As a judge, my decision for float is if I could freeze time, push the tire down to the ground and hit the marker = float. If it hits dirt, no float. That's just me. If you don't like it, don't let me judge for you. . Last edited by WAM; 03-12-2014 at 10:27 AM. |
03-12-2014, 03:18 PM | #688 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock
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Like your attitude Except in my "Perfect World" drivers would go through gates in a controlled manner, and not put themselves in a position to be judged, and if they did they would accept "JUDGEMENT FOR THEIR CRAWLING SINS" without question. Last edited by Fishmaxx; 03-12-2014 at 03:21 PM. | |
03-13-2014, 08:13 AM | #689 |
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03-13-2014, 09:43 AM | #690 |
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03-13-2014, 10:32 AM | #691 | |
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03-16-2014, 03:44 PM | #692 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Wayne county. PA
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I just read through this thread pretty quick, why not make it simple....you must get all 4 tires through a gate to NOT get a gate penalty and get progress ??....seems like a lot of confusing grey area on how you can progress a gate....ok I got one for ya .... what if I cart roll my rig through the gate, don't touch a gate but float through it....how would that be scored ??.... |
03-17-2014, 07:38 AM | #693 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: EvilCrawlerDesigns@comcast.net
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If, however, you don't get at least one tire from each axle between (they need to be between, not over top of the marker), but nothing actually contacts the gate marker, then there is no call. No Progress. No penalty. Just make sure if the truck has passed the gate completely, they don't re-enter the gate from the wrong direction to get back to where they can attempt it again or they would get a course direction penalty and have to reposition to the last successfully progressed gate. | |
05-23-2014, 09:50 PM | #694 |
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I going to cut up my body tonight. For 2.2 is the length 8" height 3" and width 3"? The first post says 8"H 3"H 3"W. Did the rules change for 2014? Thanks Matt |
05-27-2014, 04:44 PM | #695 |
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07-02-2014, 04:42 AM | #696 |
Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Armpit of Michigan
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Morning newbie question. .... In the rules for c2 it says that you frame length including bumpers has to be a minimum of 3 inches longer than the wheelbase. Does this dimension include the stinger? Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk |
07-02-2014, 07:41 AM | #697 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock
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This is Comp Class...we don't have that requirement. | |
07-22-2015, 11:00 AM | #698 |
Pebble Pounder Join Date: May 2015 Location: nesbit
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in the shafty class do you have to keep steering horn in front of the axle still? ive noticed some rigs are bta and some look like they have a link in front and behind the axle? for some reason my computer wont download the rules for me...
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07-22-2015, 11:12 AM | #699 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: JERSEY BOONDOCKS
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| Re: 2013 Rules There is no rule specifying anything regarding steering component location. |
07-22-2015, 11:37 AM | #700 |
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