Go Back   RCCrawler Forums > Competitions and Events > RCCA > RCCA Rules
Loading

Notices

Thread: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-15-2019, 05:59 AM   #1
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,538
Default Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Official Comp Classes 2019-2020 (Mini, Sportsman, Pro ja Super): https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing

Performance Scale, which is tested during 2019 and maybe added to 2020: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing
Zarizi Tech is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 01-15-2019, 07:38 AM   #2
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Seen this on fb pic below.

Here's the changed rule for 2019.

1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and

sequence. If the vehicle progresses an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or out of

sequence will result in a 10-point penalty and the judge will stop time. (Progress is at least one

front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate). The vehicle is then moved

back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the

vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle

to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once

progress is awarded for a specific gate, it can be passed through in any sequence or direction.



We've always ran this course direction rule.
Enter gate from wrong or out of sequence equals 10pt penalty repositioned at last progress gate.
This has alway been an USRCCA rule from what I remember.

WRCCA Definition of progressed gate.
(Progress is at least one

front and one rear tire needs to be completely through the gate)

With above definition of a progressed gate we can enter a gate Wrong direction or out of sequence with 1 axle/tire and not get a penalty. Because 1 axle/tire doesn't equal progress.


The way I've seen this rule 1.12 course direction ran is any part of of the rig/tire (from 1 axle) enters the plane of a gate traveling wrong direction or out of sequence it's been called as a 10pt penalty repositioned to last progressed gate.


So if I'm reading this right no penalty until the 2nd axle breaks the plane of the gate to be out of sequence or wrong direction penalty.

Doesn't Sound right but is this correct?

Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk

Last edited by tapped-out; 01-15-2019 at 07:42 AM.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 08:48 AM   #3
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Here's how the 2013 1.12 rule reads..

1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts)*Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence. Any part
of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.


Notice the any part of Vehicle entering un-cleared gate

Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 09:02 AM   #4
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

With rules as of 1-15-19

I can drive over half my rig in to a gate (1 axle) wrong direction or out of sequence then reverse out of gate with only 1pt reverse penalty.

Or reverse half my rig into gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) with only 1pt reverse penalty.

Or flip though a gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) without penalty


Last edited by tapped-out; 01-15-2019 at 09:09 AM.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 09:40 AM   #5
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,538
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by tapped-out View Post
With rules as of 1-15-19

I can drive over half my rig in to a gate (1 axle) wrong direction or out of sequence then reverse out of gate with only 1pt reverse penalty.

Or reverse half my rig into gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) with only 1pt reverse penalty.

Or flip though a gate wrong direction or out of sequence (1 axle) without penalty


Exactly.
Zarizi Tech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 09:49 AM   #6
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarizi Tech View Post
Exactly.
Why change the rule it seems so much simpler the original way?
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 10:08 AM   #7
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,538
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by tapped-out View Post
Why change the rule it seems so much simpler the original way?

Some of the committee thought it was too harsh for just a inch of the car to go in the gate area and get +10 and a repo. Next two years we will try this way and see how it changes the game.
Zarizi Tech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 10:15 AM   #8
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zarizi Tech View Post
Some of the committee thought it was too harsh for just a inch of the car to go in the gate area and get +10 and a repo. Next two years we will try this way and see how it changes the game.
Harsh or not it was simple.. IMO the committee should have left the rule asis.

Zarizi Tech thank you for the answers...


Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk

Last edited by tapped-out; 01-15-2019 at 10:49 AM.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 10:49 AM   #9
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

IMO WRCCA committee should reverse their decision of changing the original 1.12 course direction rule.

Rule should stay as below.

1.12 - Course Direction (10 pts) Gates must be cleared in their intended direction and sequence.

Any part of the vehicle entering an un-cleared gate in the wrong direction, or driven through out of sequence will result in a 10 point penalty. The judge will stop time. The vehicle is then moved back by the driver to the previously cleared gate with the rear axle aligned to that gate. If the vehicle cannot be aligned to the gate due to course design, the judge will reposition the vehicle to the next stable location after the cleared gate. This location will be used for all drivers. Once the gate is cleared and awarded progress it can be traveled in any sequence or direction.

I'm glad WRCCA committee didn't change more rules.

Last edited by tapped-out; 01-15-2019 at 01:09 PM.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-15-2019, 11:38 PM   #10
Minutia Militia
 
House's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The REAL Nor-Cal
Posts: 927
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Interesting.
I can see arguments ensuing between driver and judge.
“Stop time, wrong course direction repo.”
“BS, that was only my front axle that bounced through the gate!”

Off to the review booth. We should all wear body cameras!
House is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2019, 11:04 AM   #11
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

I think under the new rule change it's possible to enter the gate with 1 tire or 1 axle from a wrong lntended direction in order to get a clean progress on a gate.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2019, 12:50 PM   #12
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

If this was wrong intended direction of gate (I know in picture it's correct direction).this would be legal under the new rule because it's not prgress yet. Correct?
I understand the new rule, I just don't understand why the committee decided to change the old 1.12 course direction out of sequence rule. make no sense to me.

I guess to make it a positive change we just need to figure out how to take advantage of this rule change.

Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2019, 03:01 AM   #13
Rock Crawler
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 567
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

I don't mind this rule change...
Is just something that we have to be aware while judging.

Imagine that the car falls from the line and lands reverse direction inside a gate.
As it is now we would not get a penalty (as long as no progress is done), as we would before.
xkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2019, 03:45 AM   #14
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

The rule change was/is a bad decision by the WRCCA committee IMHO. They changed a straight forward rule and opened it up for arguments on course.
However I seem to be the only one who thinks this.

Next rule change will be it's only a gate penalty if both tires on same side of rig hit the gate. Because it's unfair/harsh for a driver to be penalized for hitting a gate with only 1 tire.

Just my 2 cents.


Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk

Last edited by tapped-out; 01-31-2019 at 03:59 AM.
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2019, 05:38 AM   #15
Custom Carbon Fiber
 
Robbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Connecticut :(
Posts: 4,298
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

While I agree it doesnt feel like a good change and will be one exploited very easily by veteran drivers ...... we should at least be fair and let it play out for the season.

Doesnt feel fair letting drivers do something purposely to benefit themseves and give them an open door to not get penalized. I can remember gates where if I could have put a front axle through and burn the ass I would have been in better position to progress in correct direction. No penalty or even reverse just progress and move on.

But ...... at least we have a set of rules thats newer then 2013

Last edited by Robbob; 01-31-2019 at 11:38 AM.
Robbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 06:04 AM   #16
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,538
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Quote:
Originally Posted by Robbob View Post
While I agree it doesnt feel like a good change and will be one exploited very easily by veteran drivers ...... we should at least be fair and let it play out for the season.

Doesnt feel fair letting drivers do something purposely to benefit themseves and give them an open door to not get penalized. I can remember gates where if I could have put a front axle through and burn the ass I would have been in better position to progress in correct direction. No penalty or even reverse just progress and move on.

But ...... at least we have a set of rules thats newer then 2013

It is true it changes many things in gate approaching and course building and even the whole philosophy of course itself. It might make things more complicated or it might open it up to be easier for the drivers and judges. We shall see after some time. WRCCA committee is a democracy and we have voted what will happen with this rule. This rule was changed because there were more people against the old rule than with it. Let's see.
Zarizi Tech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 06:13 AM   #17
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Do you have a link to who is a WARCC committee member?
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 06:42 AM   #18
RCC Addict
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,538
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Samu Sarka - Finland
Cameron Gillam - Australia
Curt Callaway - USA
John Slichter - USA
KJ Skiby - USA
William Gaudermann - USA
Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan
Zarizi Tech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-01-2019, 07:22 AM   #19
I wanna be Dave
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: here
Posts: 2,923
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

Samu Sarka - Finland

Cameron Gillam - Australia

Curt Callaway - USA

John Slichter - USA

KJ Skiby - USA

William Gaudermann - USA

Yoshiaki Kataoka - Japan

Thank you Samu, I missed this information somehow.
Looks like we have a great WRCCA committee.

Even though I don't like the rule change for a few reasons. We couldn't ask for a better WRCCA committee thanks to all of you guys for your time, commitment and all you do for our hobby.



Sent from my SM-J737V using Tapatalk
tapped-out is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2019, 01:07 PM   #20
Rock Crawler
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Portugal
Posts: 567
Default Re: Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020

The complain that I have regarding the rules, especially now that I'm building one, is the tire size restriction for the mini class...
It just makes it super hard to get a "out of the box" tire, especially when there are soooo many 1.9 tires that could work but cant because of the height.

Just limit the wheel size to 1.9 and have a less restrictive size on the maximum tire size...

Last edited by xkill; 02-05-2019 at 02:45 PM.
xkill is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Official World Radio Controlled Crawler Association Rules 2019-2020 - Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Scale Rules Set : Radio Control Scale Association RCSA Szczerba Chit Chat 92 03-08-2018 11:37 AM
Arizona Radio Control Rock Crawler Association Crawlerdude75 Chit Chat 48 07-08-2007 12:07 AM
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright 2004-2014 RCCrawler.com