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mgputer 08-22-2019 01:44 PM

Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Got my new Axle set. Looks like it should work well and seems to be really nice quality.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...91772f0420.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c46563cfc0.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...82603c79aa.jpg

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SSD 08-22-2019 01:55 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
I suspect they made the CVD ball smaller for these to be machinable. Can't you compare old and new shafts please?

DukeMinnix 08-22-2019 02:09 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
You can go ahead and throw those in the umg before it hits the post office buddy, thanks so much :lmao:

cul8tr 08-22-2019 02:25 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Why only 2 holes for the pin? Why not 2 extra holes just in case? I've seen other rc vehicles that put 4 or 6 holes in stub axles. Example; Tekno TKR6853

If it were to wear the hole out at least you could use the extra holes to tighten it back up.

mgputer 08-22-2019 02:34 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cul8tr (Post 5957749)
Why only 2 holes for the pin? Why not 2 extra holes just in case? I've seen other rc vehicles that put 4 or 6 holes in stub axles. Example; Tekno TKR6853

If it were to wear the hole out at least you could use the extra holes to tighten it back up.

I've never seen extra holes. Honestly if it is hard enough the pin should wear before the gear.

I'm converting to brushless so we'll see how it goes.

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mgputer 08-22-2019 04:09 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSD (Post 5957745)
I suspect they made the CVD ball smaller for these to be machinable. Can't you compare old and new shafts please?

Yes the ball is smaller. The shaft is different as well. It's slightly narrower. I'll post some pics soon

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cul8tr 08-22-2019 06:32 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Pulling my brushless set up out. I just put it in broke both stock portal gears and split the rear axle case and the rear portal cover. I believe I'm done with the cat.
I can't run the cat like my axial rigs.
Tekno does it in their stub axles. I just thought it would save money in the long run.

the_law_man01 08-22-2019 09:42 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Interested to see how those hardened gears work out.

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SSD 08-23-2019 05:39 AM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mgputer (Post 5957780)
Yes the ball is smaller. The shaft is different as well. It's slightly narrower. I'll post some pics soon

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Thanks "thumbsup"

When I did the CAD model for machined input gears there was no way it would be strong enough with the stock CVD ball due to the ball being very deep into the gear. I abandoned the project. So they had to make it smaller for it to work. Hopefully they haven't just moved the weak spot from the gear to the CVD ball. I'm assuming the new material they are using will mitigate that.

mgputer 08-23-2019 05:47 AM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSD (Post 5957871)
Thanks "thumbsup"

When I did the CAD model for machined input gears there was no way it would be strong enough with the stock CVD ball due to the ball being very deep into the gear. I abandoned the project. So they had to make it smaller for it to work. Hopefully they haven't just moved the weak spot from the gear to the CVD ball. I'm assuming the new material they are using will mitigate that.

Yes that is what they did but they used a smaller tube inside the ball so the material should be about the same thickness in the ball. I think part of the issue was the cvd cup hit the axle before the stearing got to the 47 degrees as they relieved the axle shaft slightly where the cup hit on the axle.


I took it out and tried them out powering out of binds etc and they seem durable so far. That's running a 550 21t on 3s.

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ferp420 08-23-2019 08:14 AM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cul8tr (Post 5957820)
Pulling my brushless set up out. I just put it in broke both stock portal gears and split the rear axle case and the rear portal cover. I believe I'm done with the cat.
I can't run the cat like my axial rigs.
Tekno does it in their stub axles. I just thought it would save money in the long run.

this was my fear with this rig the cvs allways looked like a failure point the case spliting realy sucks also means these axles arent worth building the other side i had major issues with the ar60s too the housing would flex like mad i went through 3 housings and 2 gear sets chassing the problem before i upgraded to boom phaties and no more issues im still running the same gears and housings and its been almost 3 years now



i am seeing aluminum axle housings pop up treal is making some and of course redcat has there over priced axle housings personally im waiting for the pot metel axles but probably will just switching to ar44s or ar60s lol
im still gona load my rig down with as much aftermarket parts as i can aford in the hopes that there will be some pot metal axles someday

ferp420 09-21-2019 03:05 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
any update on the durabuility of these new shafts and gears

mgputer 09-21-2019 03:09 PM

Re: Gen 8 Chromoly steel axles and portal gears.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ferp420 (Post 5964105)
any update on the durabuility of these new shafts and gears

So far so good. Been running a hw foc Axe 2300kv on 3s. No breakage of any kind yet and I have not been holding back. Axles seem to do the trick.

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