Idea on tire rules

[binaryterror]

I think it should be stated for the rules that only marketed tires should be allowed. Modifying currently available tires would be granted, however entering a new tire not yet in the market is often illegal in almost every type of RC and full size racing.

Testing shouldn't be done at competitions, but in practice. Unfair advantages could be brought from using a new compound directed specifically at 1 terrain that others might do alright but not perfect.

This is just a thought to keep RC Crawling inline with all forms of RC and 1:1 racing rules. Just a thought worth some discussion.

[rckjeep]

Lets keep Crawling as seperate from all the other forms of RC as possible.

[dkingston]

FWIW, rc racing has dumped the "must be available in hobby shop" rules for tires a couple years ago.

You can have prototype everything but tires? That seems silly.

[Grizzly4x4]

In 1:1 rock racing and rock crawling guys run tire compounds that are not available "over the counter" to the general public.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by rckjeep

Lets keep Crawling as seperate from all the other forms of RC as possible.

Originally Posted by dkingston

FWIW, rc racing has dumped the "must be available in hobby shop" rules for tires a couple years ago.

You can have prototype everything but tires? That seems silly.

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

In 1:1 rock racing and rock crawling guys run tire compounds that are not available "over the counter" to the general public.

So sponsered drivers should have an even more unfiar advantage?

[Grizzly4x4]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

So sponsered drivers should have an even more unfiar advantage?

I'm not saying that, I was aiming at his comment on keeping "RC Crawling inline with all forms of RC and 1:1 racing rules".

I can see the sponsored thing making it had for local guys to be competitive and I'm not for pushing out the little guys.
But for this idea to fly in my book you'd have to find a way to keep prototype testing out of it while letting guys have the freedom to cut the treads off one tire and glue them on another, or to narrow tires.

One of the reasons I have always been into RC crawling is because I wanted to do 1:1 competitive crawling when it first came out, but it became a big money game before I got the chance.

The other side of the coin is that many products are brought to market because of the testing done in competitions.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by Grizzly4x4

I'm not saying that, I was aiming at his comment on keeping "RC Crawling inline with all forms of RC and 1:1 racing rules".

I can see the sponsored thing making it had for local guys to be competitive and I'm not for pushing out the little guys.
But for this idea to fly in my book you'd have to find a way to keep prototype testing out of it while letting guys have the freedom to cut the treads off one tire and glue them on another, or to narrow tires.

One of the reasons I have always been into RC crawling is because I wanted to do 1:1 competitive crawling when it first came out, but it became a big money game before I got the chance.

The other side of the coin is that many products are brought to market because of the testing done in competitions.

I hear what you're saying. All valid points.

To keep the hybrid & narrowed tires, the rule could state that they must be production tires.

Personally, I don't think prototypes belong in competitions. Unless a true pro class is created, where everyone is sponsored and/or running protos/pre-pros.

[Robb]

Why stop with just tires?

[Tanis]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

So sponsered drivers should have an even more unfiar advantage?

Why do you think sponsored drivers already have an unfair advantage? As you say they would have an "even more" unfair advantage.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by Robb

Why stop with just tires?

Uhhh...........IDK.

IMO, tires make the biggest difference. And not just anyone can go out to the garage/shop & whip out a new type of tire.

[EeePee]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Personally, I don't think prototypes belong in competitions. Unless a true pro class is created, where everyone is sponsored and/or running protos/pre-pros.

Midwest Champs had the Pro and Amateur class didn't they?

- EP, who's not thrilled with the idea of disallowing prototype stuff as the chassis, some electronics and tires are all not available yet. But would fully expect to run in the 'Pro' class.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

I think it should be stated for the rules that only marketed tires should be allowed. Modifying currently available tires would be granted, however entering a new tire not yet in the market is often illegal in almost every type of RC and full size racing.

Testing shouldn't be done at competitions, but in practice. Unfair advantages could be brought from using a new compound directed specifically at 1 terrain that others might do alright but not perfect.

This is just a thought to keep RC Crawling inline with all forms of RC and 1:1 racing rules. Just a thought worth some discussion.

Dang, are the Panthers that good????? Hold on, I'll help you out.......CALL THE

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by Tanis

Why do you think sponsored drivers already have an unfair advantage? As you say they would have an "even more" unfair advantage.

Free isn't an advantage over buying? Can everyone afford the latest & greatest as soon as it comes out.

Originally Posted by EeePee

Midwest Champs had the Pro and Amateur class didn't they?

Couldn't you choose what you wanted to run? I don't think Jared Tebo could run an amature race.

Originally Posted by EeePee

- EP, who's not thrilled with the idea of disallowing prototype stuff as the chassis, some electronics and tires are all not available yet. But would fully expect to run in the 'Pro' class.

Chassis' can be made so that won't hold any water.

As of right now, what electronic would be considered prototype?

[Tanis]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Free isn't an advantage over buying? Can everyone afford the latest & greatest as soon as it comes out.

I was just wondering

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

As of right now, what electronic would be considered prototype?

Well as of right now I am running some prototype motors and esc's in my super. The motors weight less than .5oz and are breaking thundertec cvd's at will. The esc is the size of a dime and it all runs off 1 AAA battery. Runtimes are about 2 hours on a 400 mah AAA and top speed is around 15mph with 6 tooth pinions and it will turn about 30 rpm.

[EeePee]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

As of right now, what electronic would be considered prototype?

An ESC I have.

[FrankyRizzo]

This should be a fun thread............

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Well as of right now I am running some prototype motors and esc's in my super. The motors weight less than .5oz and are breaking thundertec cvd's at will. The esc is the size of a dime and it all runs off 1 AAA battery. Runtimes are about 2 hours on a 400 mah AAA and top speed is around 15mph with 6 tooth pinions and it will turn about 30 rpm.

Uhh, ok.....sure

Originally Posted by EeePee

An ESC I have.

Same thing, sure.

[EeePee]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Same thing, sure.

Tweaked Tekin FXR. Don't believe me, makes no difference to me.

[dkingston]

Here is the problem you will really experience. You won't see many prototype tires but you will have "team only" compounds from some companies. Compound is uber-important, just as EeePee, he is finding out first hand.

Now the rub, there is no way to tech compound.

So, go ahead and outlaw proto tires. Some team guys will have compounds nobody else has.

For the record, there is NO "team only" compound at Panther. That was one of the first things I did away with. I know of no other tire mfg that can claim that.